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April 14, 2008

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Discussion Topic: Mississippi Governor Shoots Down Baiting Bill

From an AP story in the Sun Herald:

Gov. Haley Barbour followed through on his pledge to veto a deer-
baiting bill. . . .

"I consider hunting deer over bait to be an issue of both science and
ethics," Barbour wrote in his veto message. "My personal view is that
hunting deer with the aid of bait is not consistent with the
sportsman's hunting tradition of fair chase."

Do you agree?

Comments

MPN

Well many may not agree with me but I don't like the practice of hunt'n with bait. Use your knowledge of the animal and terrain to go find the animal. If the only way you can get an animal is by sitting in your tree stand with food everywhere then you're missing the excitement of hunt'n. Go track and stalk the animal you'll learn some new things and have a great time.

MPN

NLkg

I totally agree with you MPN. I support Barbour's decision. It's really just unethical, and doesn't coincide with anything that Fair Chase stands for. I in fact would hesitate to call baiting hunting.

You don't have to know anything about Deer or hunting to be able to bag one with bait. The more and more I learn about deer and see them the more and more I appreciate them. One that baits doesn't appreciate them at all, and doesn't partake in a Fair Chase. Thats just wrong.

MPN

NLkg,
Appreciation is the feeling that seperates the good hunters from the bad. If you hunt you better have an appreciation for the animal that you're goin' for. Glad to see you feel the same way.
You're welcome to my hunt'n camp any day.

MPN

david

Baiting may not be hunting. But I plan to do it next fall close to my house to get some quick freezer meat. After all, going to the grocery store isn't quite hunting either.

MPN

Dave,
Well I'm not in any kinda position to say you're wrong, but I hope you respect and appreciate the animal you bait. I personally wont bait and I'm not saying you're a bad person cause of it.

MPN

Mike Diehl

What's the difference between bait and a feed plot?

Bubba

A feeder is easier to set up Mike. Thats about it! But, I hunt around both.
My area is not heavily wooded and the deer don't seem to have regular travel paths. Baiting and food plots are about all that seems to get them to haunt any particular area.
One feeder I set up slung corn for a week with nothing but squirrels picking it up. The deer finally showed up when the corn sprouted this spring!
Feeding/baiting brings in enough deer that you can be more judgemental when it comes to culling, taking older does, bad genes and the sort.
A bad hip curtails any sort of stalking/still hunting I may attempt, leaving me lurching about the woods like the cripple I am.
Food plots are too much work and too time consuming! Filling feeders once a week in the fall gets me into the woods, relocating feeders, selecting stand sites, checking for deer activity!
I'm not lazy! Just having to learn to deal with my own short comings!

Bubba

MPN

Bubba,
You got me. In your case there is really no other option. But to me it seems most people that are standard feeder hunters don't really care about or respect the animal, they just want a trophy. I'm not saying all people are like that as in your case.

Food plots vs Feeder:

Here in NY you can't feed the deer or bait because diseases were bein' spred to the deer through infected corn. I have food plots but don't hunt them. I let the deer feed off um but don't hunt near them. I feel the plots keep the deer in the area and that's good enough for me, so I don't hunt near the plots. But now that I look at it I guess plots and baitin' are the same thing.

All I'm saying is I'd rather still hunt then sit in a stand, but hey whatever works!

MPN

Dan

David,
Quick freezer meat? Are you kidding me! I shot a deer the first day of the opener while still hunting. That's about as quick as it comes. You don't need a feeder to get a deer quick, all you need is alittle drive and determination.

Bubba,
The deer really don't have set paths or favorite bedding spots? At least make the hunt even and use a bow. I'm sorry but I just don't see the concept of feeder hunting as hunting. I don't like food plots either. I guess though it's all on how you are brought up in hutning and the condition you're in.

DAN

MPN

Dan,
Sorry to say but if I remember correctly bubba also had an injury so he could not use a bow as is the same problem with me. I to felt baiting wasn't a good way to hunt, but now that I look at it some people have no other choice and it wouldn't be fair to tell them they couldn't hunt. It all depends on the situation. If you're just lazy and don't feel like spending the time in the woods and you just want in and out then shame on you, but if there is no other option then do what you have to. So again this is one of those situation type deals and what your inner values are. So here's my last bit of advice, go out in the woods and have a good time and put meat on the table!

MPN

David

Dan, I do have drive and determination and a love of hunting. I go every year and have never hunted over bait but next year in early bow season I think I will. They raised the limit in Ohio if you use a bow from 3 to six. I can kill some over bait and then go out later in a more serious way. I love to shotgun hunt by just walking slow through the woods for a few hours. No bait, no calls, just me and the deer. But I plan to put some away easy right off the bat.

Ed J

Whats the difference between a food plot and an area where the deer feed? I planted apple trees cause I like apples. The deer are always in them.

Patrick

Baiting causes hunter vs. hunter conflict, especially on public land. At a time when there is so much Anti pressure on our sport, it is hard to see a justification for something so divisive. You can support another person's desire to bait, but not do it yourself. But then there is no sympathy back at you if you put your treestand up within 100 yards of somebody's expensive bait pile/feeder. No matter if you pre-season scouted (no bait in the Summer), and came in at dark and never saw it. People put a pile of doughnuts/corn/yams down and think they own everything in a 500 yd. radius.

Mc. Squizzy

I think baiting for deer and bigger game isn't right, but why not for rabbit and squirrel?

I tracked and stalked forever... I got close to lots of deer. But I only want one(and man is he smart), which just bumped my odds of success way down. I'll use bait, thank you.

peter

hell yay i agree not to use bait

Bubba

Dan

Believe it or not, the area I'm hunting now has some timber, lots of thickets and a lot more open fields.
Before gun season, I took the time to do a little squirrel hunting. I parked my scooter at one end and the land owner took me to the other end and dropped me off.
Nearly one mile, I have yet to find the first scrap, or rub!
I hunted a heavily timbered/thicketed area within a stones throw of a major river for six years. Still, no rubs or scrapes! Yep, I know where to look, I've found jillions (?) of 'em while hunting in E. Texas. Yep, I know what they look like.
I have NEVER found one in my area. I know they're here, there are too many deer. I wish I knew the answer. I find it rather frustrating, but, it's true!

Bubba

Matt M

I hate timed feeders and trail cameras and all this other modern nonsense. Locate natural foods or water and set up a tree stand or blind.Fine. But planting all sorts of feed or setting out feeders is like shooting cows of a hay bale.

Matt M

I hate timed feeders and trail cameras and all this other modern nonsense. Locate natural foods or water and set up a tree stand or blind.Fine. But planting all sorts of feed or setting out feeders is like shooting cows of a hay bale.

Bubba

Matt M

A well designed, maintained and thought out food plot serves not only to attract deer, but also provides needed nutrition to free ranging animals. Feeders also provide nutrition during the winter when food sources are low or scattered, meaning deer have to work harder and burn more calories.

Bubba

Jason

Here in Southren Michigan the deer are out of control. So at least in this enviroment, I say take them as you can.

As far as the ethics go, I don't see why we as humans should have to handicap ourselves. The biggest advantage we have is our itellect and the ability to touch our forfinger to our thumb. If we are smart enough to put out food then fair enough.

with my .300 winmag any deer within 300 yards boesn't have much chance of fairchase anyways.

seawolf

I myself do not think baiting is fair chase. And hunting high fenced animals included.

After 45 years of hunting deer without bait, and quite succesfully I might add, I see that the ones who choose to are losing so much.

The hunt it always my most important reason for hunting deer not the kill.

Those skills honed over My many years of deer hunting would be completly lost if I hunted over Bait.

Seawolf

seawolf

I myself do not think baiting is fair chase. And hunting high fenced animals included.

After 45 years of hunting deer without bait, and quite succesfully I might add, I see that the ones who choose to are losing so much.

The hunt it always my most important reason for hunting deer not the kill.

Those skills honed over My many years of deer hunting would be completly lost if I hunted over Bait.

Seawolf

Paul Wilke

I got your answer. Never bait! Just feed the deer corn during the off season, makes them strong and healthy so they can withstand the rigors of Winter (fat too). You could even ask PETA to help puchase corn, they'd love to help and you could make some new friends.
When the season opens, go to your favorite spot ( without your new friends), sit quietly and call.
Just make the sound of a corn cob in distress.
Some days I just can't help myself, I'll tell you about my pet catfish,if you like.

Walt Smith

You don't need bait piles to be a good hunter, all you need is common sense and a little luck. All baiting does is feed the deer after dark and make hunters look stupid to the PETA folks and fuel their fire further. Our grandfathers didn't need to bait deer neither do we. Our grandfathers didn't need high fence hunts either, and we need to be responsible and ethical and do away with those also.




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