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April 08, 2008

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Discussion Topic: Will Gas Prices Cut Into Your Fishing Trips?

From a Southwick Associates press release:

Despite gasoline costs expected to approach $4 per gallon this spring and summer, nearly 6 out of 10 U.S. anglers are planning an out-of-state fishing trip in the next 12 months, according to a recent survey.

In a March 2008 poll of almost 2,000 anglers by AnglerSurvey.com, respondents were asked if they are planning a fishing trip outside their home state within the next year. A clear majority (59.4%) answered in the affirmative.

How about you? Will gas prices cut into your fishing this year?

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Will gas prices cut into my fishing?

They stopped me from buying a boat last fall. I'd say that pretty much curtails my offshore fishing trips.

After considering all the other factors (initial costs, maintenance expense, trailering or dockage, etc.) the one cost that upset the apple cart was the cost of fuel. In an engine where fuel economy is measured in gallons per hour, I just couldn't justify the cost of a single long day offshore... much less season after season of it.


What do you expect when don't allow drilling on American soil. Alaska is bigger than Texas and our Government owns most of the State, but we can't drill in ANWR because a bunch of liberal panty wastes (and a few of F&S writers) are afraid dilling my hurt some caribou or something. "Pristine wilderness" my butt is more pristine, has anyone every been there? We haven't built a new refinery in 30 years and we refuse to drill- that's why it's so expensive to run a boat.


WILL they? They already have!
though, perhaps more accurately, they've led me to carpool with some people I wouldn't have normally considered for the elite status of "fishing partner." these gas prices are making for strange bedfellows.



I was once told that some sort of engine was made to run on grass clipings? I have no idea if it's true. If anyone knows more about this please share what you know.



your right. 30-yr old refineries arent helping at all. Something tells me you arent on this website if you didnt care about the environment at least a little (we are sportsmen: outdoors is where we go.) so instead of new drilling, why dont we push for new refineries? idk about you, but that makes sense to me...

Mike Diehl

Only commies want to see drilling in ANWR. Big free giveaway of taxpayer owned land and oil with the taxpayer footing the bill for the development and cleanup.

Mike Diehl

New refineries are part of the deal. Here's another good idea: try driving a vehicle that gets more than 23 mpg. Here's another good idea: switch out some light bulbs. Here's another good idea: lets replace the ancient eroded electrical transmission structure.

You want to bring the price of oil and gasoline down there are a dozen good ways that we all could make it happen inside a year. Drilling ANWR isn't one the good ideas though.


Drilling in ANWR is one of those ideas that politicians talk about because it sounds good until someone actually explains what it entails.

1) There is no guarantee that there are actually any sizeable reserves in ANWR. In fact, several of the major oil companies have said that they don't think the potential reserves justify the cost of exploration. Unless of course, the US government was to subsidize these cost.

2) Because oil futures are traded on global commodities markets, it would be all but impossible for the US to say any oil from ANWR is for domestic purposes only. In fact, right now, a major portion of the oil from Alaska goes to Japan and not the continental US. This was part of a deal that the first Bush administration worked out in order to get Japan to write a very large check to cover part of the cost for first Gulf War.

3) Because the US does not have adequate reserves to meet current demand, even if the best ANWR estimates were to come true, it would still be necessary to import oil. However, if the US drills in ANWR, and brings new supplies online, the other oil exporting countries will most likely--assuming global demand continues to rise--reduce their output, so as to make the barrels they are exporting more valuable.

I read something else interesting regarding oil the other day in Pat Buchanon's magazine the American Conservative. Apparently the US is using more barrels of oil everyday in Iraq to run planes, tanks, humvees, etc., than what Iraq has ever produced. The article stated that if the US oil cosumption was spread out over every soldier currently in Iraq it amounts to something like forty three gallons, per soldier, per day.


Gas prices are horrible and prevented me from going fishing many times. Will it ever end?

Blue Ox

Is it just me or did the fuel prices seem to shoot up once bushie got into office? I know he's an oil man himself, and is good buddies with the arabs...is this a coincidence, or am I just being silly?


C'mon Blue Ox, you're smarter than that. We haven't built a refinery in over twenty years. We announce, every year, more places where we won't drill. We watch, every year, as both China and India expand their economies. We know that they're using more oil. I don't know what the answer is. All I know is that world demand is greatly out stripping world supply.


Back to the original question. Yes, I have cut back on fishing and hunting trips.

I've cut back on all extra/unnecessary use of gasoline to try and save money.



I am looking for the silver lining in this cloud; that the high gas prices will keep a bunch of these insideous jet-skis in peoples garagaes and leave the lakes peaceful for me and my canoe!

Blue Ox

I guess you're right, Yoop.
Nothing lasts forever.
It just sucks, not being able to go out and do the things we love without worrying about how much fuel is in the tank vs. how empty the fridge is.


The gas prices are very hard for the young teens. They finally get a job and have money to spend, but wait all their money goes into their cars and not in their pockets. Let's face it teens don't get paid as much as a vetern worker around the age of 25-60. So because they don't get paid as much and all their money goes into the tanks how could they even afford to go places to enjoy hunt'n or fish'n. And the same goes for us to.



I just bought a new boat with a small motor, more fuel efficient.

paul Wilke

Spring trip has been cancelled, Fall trip is in danger of being cancelled.
Here's a thought. Two wires in the water(even sewage sludge): apply electricity: two gases come up, hydrogen from one, oxygen from the other: save the hydrogen.
Change the fuel injector on your car, replace the gas tank with a hydrogen tank, run the car! Only emission is water.
Use olive oil for lube, forget the oil wells.

Just driving into the deer woods costs me $10 bucks...when you hunt for meat that can make a free meal seem pretty expensive. Now I only go hunting for 3 day periods to make the drive worth it.

Amen, MPN, Amen. Part time work(school the other times) doesn't even look appealing anymore. I got 8-3 school, 3:30-6 work and then dinner and homework. Working 2.5 hours on a job that costs 4$ round trip and being taxed another 10-12% leaves me something like $11 and no free time. I'd rather just have free time and no money whatsoever. The economies of summer are better, though.


We don't know how much oil is in ANWR - so we should drill? That is the kind of thinking that has oil @ $109. Oil markets are obiviously global, but US policy is keeping prices high. We invest in the fraud known as corn based ethonal and keep Brazil's biofuels out with high tarrifs. We push wind energy, which is a now realistic option for about 2% of our electric power, with tax dollars. But we don't look for oil on a frozen rock where the tiny population of locals wants us to drill.

Mike Diehl

"I am looking for the silver lining in this cloud.."

Amen to that. If high gas prices keep one g'darn quad/ohv-riding yahoo out of the hunt unit there is at least one good thing to come of all this.
"US policy is keeping prices high. We invest in the fraud known as corn based ethonal and keep Brazil's biofuels out with high tarrifs. We push wind energy, which is a now realistic option for about 2% of our electric power, with tax dollars."

All that is true. But don't fool yourself that the US taxpayer doesn't subsidize drilling on frozen rocks. The only way ANWR drilling is viable is if you and I pay the costs in the form of direct subsidies, tax credits, tax breaks, and by selling our oil to companies for pennies on the dollar of market value (and then there's no guarantee that the people who drill & pump the oil won't sell it to China).


This is an interesting discussion.
As I have previously said, I am American but currently live in the Netherlands. You guys in the US don't know how good you actually have it with gas prices.

Here, we pay 1.6 euros per LITER.
OK, now there are 4 liters to a GALLON.
So thats 6.4 EUROS per Gallon.
There are 1.5 dollars per euro, so that makes roughly $10 per gallon. Yea that's right.

10$$$$ per gallon

Now, the stupid socialist dutch government has a large tax on gas here, and much of that goes to the government. But it doesn't matter. Its still a lot, plus Dutch people also pay 52% income tax in the upper tax bracket.
Kind of off topic i guess, but I just wanted to make the point that 4$ is bad, very bad, but not as bad as it is elsewhere in the world. Another argument for lower taxes, as this can be the eventual effect of taxes on things like gas.

Craig Tangren

The high price of gas would likely disrupt my fishing plans if I were less determined. But that is not the case. If I must, I'll avoid trolling, and turn off my engine whenever I can. I'll just have to drift or cast or shorefish more, but I'll make it work. And worst case, I'll just go out and buy a canoe. Gas could cost $300 a gallon, and my canoe would still serve me the whole open-water season. Spending money on gas sucks, but REAL fisherman just deal with it and move on; find a solution that works instead of forcing one that might not or, heaven forbid, cutting back the fishing time.


Oh, Mike Diehl,

"...replace antique, eroded electrical tranmission system..."
At what cost? With what?
"...replace a few light bulbs..."
Everybody is touting the new CFL's(compact fluorescent lights), what they don't tell you, is these bulbs contain mercury!

I'm sure there are things that could be done to make these things more effecient, but arbitrarily "changing" out our "transmission system" could not be cheap!



Hey Bubba, you're looking at tis logically. Big mistake!
Has anyone else noticed that cars seem to be making real good strides in improving fuel mileage, bu trucks seem to be going backwards? Seems to me, a few years back, you could look for diffrent engine sizes, transmissions, etc., and get something that got reasoable mileage. Now it seems, most trucks are stuck between 12 mpg and 15 mpg city, and 15 mpg to 19 mpg, highway. Now, if your ATV is in the back, you'll drop 2 mpg. I would be afraid of checking it when pulling a boat trailer. It seems to me that they could offer lighter trucks with diesel engines. My last diesel weighed almost 7,000 lbs., and would get around 20 mpg on the highway, ATV or not. My 2006 GMC, with hybrid option gets around 18 highway (60 mph or less) an I know the mileage will drop with the ATV.

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