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April 25, 2008

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Discussion Topic: AHSA Endorses Obama; NRA Blasts AHSA

From the American Hunters & Shooters Association:

Today, as President of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I [Ray Schoenke] announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. . . .

We believe recent attacks on Senator Obama's stand on the 2nd Amendment and his commitment to our hunting and shooting heritage are unfair . . . .



Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, [which] . . . prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency.

From the NRA:

In keeping with their “pro-gun” stance, this week, AHSA did the last thing one would expect of a pro-gun group—they endorsed Democratic hopeful Barack Obama for President! . . . .

Are you kidding?  Obama’s hostility toward the Second Amendment is so well known and well documented that in the 2004 elections, NRA’s Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) issued Obama a well-deserved “F” grade.  Obama is anti-gun.  Period. . . .

And from the AHSA again:

[T]he NRA sells out regularly to politicians who care nothing about the land or wildlife, but who will deliver votes against gun control. . . .

The problem is not that the NRA leadership acts aggressively to protect the Second Amendment. It is their mission. The problem is that they mislead hunters into thinking their actions will benefit hunting. . . .

The NRA feeds our money and our hunting heritage into the coffers of political snakes who will use their influence to ruin the land we hunt.

And from the NRA:

AHSA would be more correctly called the “American Association for the Protection of Anti-Gun Politicians.”  No gun owner or sportsman should take the group seriously or fall prey to its carefully crafted lies and deceptions, as clearly demonstrated by their endorsement of Barack Obama.

Care to chime in?

Comments

William

The pope is often characterized as a bigot and a homophobe yet he is still millions of people's spritual mentor. Amongst those same millions of people many disagree with those fundamentals of Catholicism. You don't have to agree with everything a person says and if you do what character does that indicate? Also, whose to say that McCain isn't going to ban semi-autos and firearms? McCain is a huge military industrialist guy and the people who are worried the most about the citizenry being armed and able to operate as a militia are these types of guys. I'll have more respect for McCain if he would come forward like Obama and make a stand indicating that he too is against the government taking guns away in times of emergency.

YooperJack

William:
You might have made the dumbest statement of anyone so far this year! This Pope has made overtures to both Jews and Muslims. He has condemned bigotry at all levels. For you to compare him to Rev. Wright is ludicrous!
There is one candidate who handwrote, and signed a position paper, calling for banning private ownership of handguns. After being elected to his state senate, he introduced a bill to ban gun dealers within five (as the crow flies) miles of schools. This candidate has a long track record of saying what is most politically expedient.
I'm positive that, if he's elected, he will respond to any crisis as a deer in the headlights.
YooperJack
P.S. Before throwing Rev. Wright under the bus, he took a poll to determine its feasibility. He has absolutely no concept of "right and wrong".

Andrew

Even if you want to give Obama a free pass on his church, how can you explain his relationship with Bill Ayers and his wife. The man was a terrorist and he remains happy about what he did. The Weathered Underground murdered people and bombed our pentagon.

Only an anti-Catholic bigot, a fool or someone completely uninformed would compare the Pope to Rev. Right. The Church has reached out to Jews and Muslims and every other religion short of scientology. The Vatican recognizes Israel and strongly condemns anti-Semitism.

I wish the NRA only supported republicans. Unfortunately they back a number of rural democrats, who support gun rights. Which ends up costing gun owners because the House is basically winner take all once the rules are set.

Mike Diehl

The house isn't winner take all. Anyone can vote against any bill.. the Speaker doesn't get to stuff the ballot box so to speak.

McCain is the only candidate who has been clear, consistent, and open about his support for the 2nd Amendment. Look in Sen. Clinton's or Sen. Obama's campaign web sites and you have to dig really deep in order to find a vaguely worded dissembling salutation to the 2nd that more or less contradicts these two senators' past voting records.

In contrast, under "Issues," McCain has "2nd Amendment" which reads as follows:

"John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry."

"John McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. Most recently he opposed an amendment to extend a ban on 19 specific firearms, and others with similar characteristics."

"John McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations."

"John McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."

"John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen's purchase of firearms."

"John McCain opposes the confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency. He voted in favor of an amendment sponsored by Senator David Vitter prohibiting such confiscation."

The only place where McCain fails the fanatic test is on criminal background checks at gunshows for all sales, even between private parties. Frankly, I think that's a good idea.

bob

where in the second amendment does it say anything about hunting.. IT DOESNT. the 2nd is about self defense and preventing a trannical government.

i myself enjoy hunting but a portion of ammo and gun sales go for the preservation of wildlands and protecting americas conservation tradition.

if you look at hitler and obama they are very alike both hate a group of people(white people and who ever isnt a minority), both support gun control and socalist polcies and both have a army of mindless followers that would polish his nazi jackboots at his command.

peter

SHIT! a hunter endorsing the anti-christ obama. that idiot is against our right to bare arms WHAT THE HELL I'M PISSED! i'm from Pennslyvannia and i like my guns as much as church so i wont give them up

peter

SHIT! a hunter endorsing the anti-christ obama. that idiot is against our right to bare arms WHAT THE HELL I'M PISSED! i'm from Pennslyvannia and i like my guns as much as church so i wont give them up

c4

CTB,
For the record, I do'nt vote religon, do not believe god even. I vote for keeping more money in my wallet,gun& hunting rights, private property rights,and less federal goverment.The democrats don't go with any of those beliefs.I'm 41 years old so I don't think I'm quite a geezer yet!
C4

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The NRA will be here when everyone in the AHSA is pushing up daisies!!
Deception comes in all sorts of packages. Undoubtedly, the leadership of the AHSA are anti-gun themselves since no one could be as naive as they are!!!!

Greg Ellison

A post about me, a law abiding United States Citizen and NRA supporter, were Robert "Rocky" Marcario, the National Director of Membership for the National Rifle Association, NRA, defames my good name on Monday, April 14th, 2008:

Rocky Marcario
Burke, VA Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it!|#1293 Monday Apr 14
Judged: 2
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Hey PSYCHO NUTJOB...I heard you were asking for me. Well, what do you want, you lying, thieving, psychotic, putrid pile of excrement? And by the way, how about telling the truth for ONCE in your pathetic life? YOU were told by my buddy Skipp Galythly (NRA Assistant General Counsel) to stop contacting the NRA as you said you have a lawyer and that only he could contact the organization from that point on. Well...we're still waiting to hear from this imaginary lawyer. And we're still waiting to read your imaginary press release. And I'm still waiting to be notified of your imaginary lawsuit. And I'd sure like to meet your imaginary daughter so I could tell her what a sniveling little twerp her father is. By the way, give my best to Michelle! I pity that poor woman having to be married to a PSYCHO NUTJOB like you.

Glad you inquired about me. Now bite me.
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THE NRA SHOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE SUCH A FINE, UPSTANDING CITIZEN REPRESENTING THEM!!! SHOULD HE BE HANDLING A GUN?

GREG ELLISON




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