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December 18, 2007

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Discussion Topic: On Guns And Grammar

Does the right to bear arms apply to individuals? How the Supreme Court answers this burning question in the upcoming District of Columbia v. Heller case may come down to mere punctuation.

From The New York Times:

The outcome of the case is difficult to handicap, mainly because so little is known about the justices’ views on the lethal device at the center of the controversy: the comma. . . .

The official version of the Second Amendment has three of the little blighters:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The decision invalidating the district’s gun ban, written by Judge Laurence H. Silberman of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, cites the second comma (the one after “state”) as proof that the Second Amendment does not merely protect the “collective” right of states to maintain their militias, but endows each citizen with an “individual” right to carry a gun, regardless of membership in the local militia.

Check out the full story and tell us what you think.

Comments

jstreet

What matters is the decision the justices make.

The rest is just speculation and a waste of time.

GREG

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS! Seems pretty clear to me. Call me a dumb redneck but I wont give up mine with out a fight! PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!! HELL YEAH!

Banjo Bill

Not a dumb redneck. A loudmouth moron.

GREG

With a name like Banjo Bill? Yuo are killin me HAHAHA!

GREG

Hey Banjo, How bout The right to bare arms!

Banjo Bill

It's a right we should keep. Just don't see the point in screaming like a stuck piglet. Makes most people cover their ears.

Sexy Man

Is sounds to me like you are both bickering like little boys in the school yard over what game your going to play

the right to bear arms means just that and nothing more our forfathers did not right the amendments for them to be probed im with both of you though i wont give mine without a fight but there is time and a place for everything

GREG

I went a little over board. It is something I am passionate about.S. M. is right we sound like school yard brats. While you think I am moron that quote is from Mr. Charlton Heston at a N.R.A. convention, I think? If this is not the place where I can be passionate about the 2A where is it? Banjo Im cool with you. It is your right as a free thinking American to call me a moron. I must however disappoint and not resort to name calling. Shoot straight and hunt hard! Have a great day!

Gman

Wow, grammatical parsing in establishing precedent. Damn, I knew I should have paid attention during sentence diagramming.

I think the first comma is the key; had the Framers not put that after Militia, then there would be little doubt they meant collective. But that little bugger makes all the difference.

GREG

I certainly hope our 2a rights dont come down to a comma. I guess it is a real possibility. Scary huh?

Bubba

Well, my original blog was "spam" so guess I'll try again.

The 2A gives the populace the right to keep and bear arms so they would always have a voice in the government, and should that voice be taken away, they would be able to fight to get it back!

Bubba

Bubba

Ya know Banjo, maybe Greg's right screaming to the top of his lungs. There's folks out there that need wakin' up! They keep showing this thing on TV that says, "The best way for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing!". Now I don't remember who said it, but it's true! WAKE UP AMERICA, ALL GOOD MEN STEP FORWARD AND BE HEARD!!!!!!

Bubba

GREG

Thanks Bubba, Ill take dumb redneck all day but moron I think not. I thought this is the place we could scream to the top of our lungs. Guess I will have to be more PC. Oh gosh I just puked alittle in my mouyh. I will not be PC!!

Tommy

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing,"

Edmund Burke

Banjo Bill

Who said anything about doing nothing? Want to do something? Take one of your non-hunting, non-shooting friends out to the range and dust a few clay birds with a 20-gauge. That'll do more to save our rights than any amount of the self-righteoous, pigeonholing, cheerleading blather that spatters these boards whenever the subject of gun rights comes up.

And to head off the next jerk of the knee ... this is not about being PC, it's about being effective.

GREG

Banjo Again, if we cant spout off a little here then where? Would you rather I go to an anti-gun rally and run my pie hole? Now that would be moronic.

Tommy

Hey Greg,

Another button pusher?

"That'll do more to save our rights than any amount of the self-righteoous, pigeonholing, cheerleading blather that spatters these boards whenever the subject of gun rights comes up."

Sir if this is what you post - how are you any different?

Tommy

Obviously the last part of my post was not directed at you Greg.

GREG

I just want Mr. Banjo to tell me where I can speak my mind on 2A rights without being called a moron. I thought this was the place we could. What I said in my first post is exactly how I feel. Iknow for fact Im not the only one that has posted here that feels the way I do. I AM NOT trying for a war of words or name calling. I would like to have a healthy dialogue with Banjo. I have asked the question twice, Where?

Banjo Bill

It's different, tommy, because it's different.

My problem isn't with 2A rights, or expressions of disgruntlement with the left. It's with parroted rhetoric that tars the rest of us who read these boards with an easy-to-dismiss brush.

GREG

Then I guess we are done Banjo. I look forward to talking to you on other issues.

Bubba

Ya know Banjo, it may be rhetoric and it might be loud mouthed and yeah, maybe just a little bit much, but remember, when John Hancock signed the Declaration of Independence, he did it in a LARGE, CLEAR MANNER!!!! Not because he had to, but because he wanted to express his feelings, just like Greg, Tommy, even me!
Now if you want to be the blog cop, that's okay too, it's your right, just don't expect us to stand idly by!

Bubba

Stephen G. Bennett Sr.

May God and right be with us.




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