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October 30, 2007

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Discussion Topic: Bilingual Posted Signs

From WBAY 2 News:
Racial tensions and communication barriers between white and Hmong hunters have led to seven hunter deaths in Wisconsin over the past three years.

[Now], state officials, conservation groups, and Hmong leaders are working to bring harmony to the woods this fall. A Waupaca County man is also joining in those efforts. . . . His solution was to make No Trespassing and Private Property signs in both English and Hmong. A Hmong coworker helped Humbert with the translation.

"People are understanding that I'm not out to make a quick buck, I'm not out to be racist or discriminative toward any race. I'm out there to help bridge the communication barrier or that gap," [Eric Humbert] says.

Check out the full story and tell us your reaction.

Comments

ZACK

What about the folks that only speak Dutch, or Japanese or Swahili or Australian, isn't someone going to make special signs for them? Otherwise they may have an excuse for murdering another group of hunters.

I've got an idea that nobody has ever thought of, its completly original, one of a kind and may change the world as we know it!

LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!

We need our officials to pass a law making English the national language. Ballots, taxes, wellfare, you name it, if it has to do with our government it should only be printed in English. If you don't speak it, tough shit, learn like the rest of us or go the hell back where you came from!

Blue Ox

Zack, I couldn't have said it better myself. (Well, yeah, I probably could have, but then my posting would have been erased for sure!)

ZACK

Just kidding about the Australian part though.

jstreet

If you don't understand it, stay off the property. These people drive cars in this country and they can't figure out how to read simple english? That's crap and just an excuse to allow this garbage to happen. Stay off property that's posted.

I have an idea. How about a totem pole every 20 yards on people's property with signs in all languages telling them to stay out. Will that satisfy everyone? Hell no it won't, these people know they are wrong and they play stupid about the language barrier to use it as an excuse.

The police need to lock these losers up and deport the illegals.

The political correctness shit is way out of hand.

JIm

ZACK

A quick searh just said there are 6,809 disticnt languages in the world. That would have to be one hell of a big sign.

I wonder which one is spoken by the most sucessful nation on earth?

ZACK

I just did a search of Hmongs and they seem to be causing lots of problems in WI. Lots of gangs and other things that go along with them. They also seem to protest against the police every time one of there group breaks the law. Sounds like we should have left them in Laos.

Many people from these turd world nations don't have the respect for life and sense of decency that is required to live in America as part of America. They just want to come here and make us bow to their customs and traditions and not try and adapt to life as an American.
I say to hell with them, if you don't want to be an American, go back to Laos and get your head chopped off and see if that is really a better alternative.

Gary

Some of you guys really need to read some history before you start running your mouths.

Since native Americans make up somewhere around 1% of the population, I will guess that most of you are the decedendants of Europeans.

It generally takes about a generation to break the language barrier. You don't just show up and know how to speak English. So that means that someone proably said exactly the same thing about your ancestors that you are now saying about these individuals.

Should English be the official language? Yes. It facilitates commerce and provides a common culture identifier. Does it happen immediately? No.

Joshua

Gary don't be stupid, if you are moving to a new place learn to speak the language BEFORE you get there. It is really simple.

jstreet

Gary,

No one expects immigrants to be fluent in english. How about learning stop, go, please, thank you, how to count out your money, read a no tresspassing sign and making sure your paperwork to even be here is in order. Is that asking too much?

If you can get a drivers license, you need to be able to read some. If you can get a hunting license, you need to be able to read some. Don't these people take drivers license exams and hunter safety courses?

It's bs pure and simple. Acting like you don't speak english is the oldest immigrant scam in the world.

ZACK

I can see it going something like this:

"Hey buddy your on my property and need to leave"

"F-you I am hunting here"

"You need to leave now or I going to call the po..."

Bang!

to cops " I no spekey engrish! He atack me! RACISM!!!"

The next thing you know Bi-lingual no tresspassing signs! and the white guy is made out to be the bad guy again.

ZACK

You can bet your ass I would be reading my English to Hmong translator every freaking night if I had my stuff packed and was moving to Laos. You can also bet that if I got there and couldn't speak the language, they damn sure wouldn't feel sorry for me and treat me like a helpless victim.
If these stupid bastards aren't going to learn the language then threaten or kill landowners when they are confronted for tresspassing they had better get ready for the consequences, by the police or the pissed off and well armed land owners.

Mike

IF YOU CANT ASSIMULATE, DONT IMMIGRATE!!!

Mike

Gary

I am 2nd Generation American....descended of German ancestry...my grandparents learned to speak ENGLISH...why!?!? because they HAD to.

As an aside, not long after (4 years) becoming an american citizen gramps was sent back to Germany...as an American GI...and fought with honor against Hitlers armies...(proudest thing he did in his life) and every day after getting home flew the AMERICAN flag out front of the farm.

Quite a different mindset in the immigrant of today as opposed to the mindset of those that came in the 40's or well before that time.

Back then it was an HONOR to become an American...you didnt come here EXPECTING to be handed EVERYTHING you wanted.

Gman

On our little patch of whitetail paradise, we only post in English. And the only folks I've ever run across claiming ignorance of the signs are good God-fearing country boys who express many of the sentiments y'all are spewing:

"I didn't see no sign," they say.

There is no greater joy than being a left-wing pinko with a Savage 7mm-08 and a posted sign with my last name on it. I love kicking right-wing ignoramuses outta our woods.

Swite

Gman,

Quit making up stories.

Gary

First, I did not say that new immigrants should not be required to learn English. They should and most do eventually.

What I said was that it generally takes a generation to break the language barrier. I live in the Pittsburgh area, and there are still a few older folks in the Italian and Polish neighborhoods that speak their native languages.

Second, I don't recall saying that anyone who can't understand basic English should be allowed to get a driver's license or hunting license. Common sense would dictate otherwise.

My point in posting was only to suggest that people stop and consider the historical record. If you happen to be of Irish, German, Italian, Polish, or other Eastern European ancestry there was a time in this country when people would have said the very things about your family that were said earlier in these post.

jstreet

Gary Quote:
Second, I don't recall saying that anyone who can't understand basic English should be allowed to get a driver's license or hunting license. Common sense would dictate otherwise.

And common sense would dictate that if the above were the case then these idiots should be able to read a sign that says "No Trespassing" and thus have no excuse for being on someone elses land!

I don't know about everyone else,but I'm tired of putting up with spanish on everything out there. Now do I have to put up with Hmong too?

Call me racist if you wish, but I'm not wasting my time with this politcial correctness crap any longer. If I think you are an ignorant assed "whatever", its my right to say so. If people don't like it, touch SH*T. I'm tired of being told I have to accept everybody and everything. I don't. I can dislike anyone I wish for any reason I choose. It's still America you know.

Matt Mallery

You should be required to demonstrate proficency in English BEFORE being allowed to come here.

ethan

Gary,

What does that comment about Native Americans have to do with this discussion? The perps we are talking about here are of Laotian descent, not Native American. Apparently you need to learn to read too.

I firmly believe that English should be our official language, and that this "bilingual" PC BS should be scrapped. Here is what I propose:
1) Immigrants should be required to use the community as a "school" to teach them English.
2) Immigrants should be required to show that they are competently fluent in English within 1 or 1 1/2 years of their arrival.
3) Immigrants should be required to understand that any political ties with their "mother country" were cut when they immigrated.
4) Immigrants should be required to make a significant attempt to assimilate into American culture, to learn AMERICAN history, and to understand the roots of our civilization.
5) Any immigrants who fail in any of these points should be severely reprimanded, fined or whatever, and for further offenses, be deported immediately.

I know the thoughts some people may have: "What happened to America's attitude of 'bring me your poor, your tired, your down-trodden, etc...?'"
Well, I must make it clear that this attitude still exists, yet not purely in a simple, open-armed way; but rather, as more of an "if you do this, then I will do this" attitude.
What I mean is that people have to understand that America is called the "Melting Pot," and not the "Salad" of the world for a reason. People must understand that when they come to America, they are to at least mostly blend into the present and incumbent culture and civilization. Sure, they may retain some of their own customs and flavors, and add such of them as they choose to the soup in the Melting Pot. But their refusal to assimilate into our culture, and their apparent attempt at colonization, their attempts to create their own "little Mexico" or "little China" here on American soil is not only incongruous with and inappropriate to their position, it is detrimental to that of the rest of us.

My thesis:
1) Assimilate and learn English, or Get the Hell Out;
2) If you are unwilling or unable to assimilate and learn English, DO NOT ENTER.

ethan

Gary,

What does that comment about Native Americans have to do with this discussion? The perps we are talking about here are of Laotian descent, not Native American. Apparently you need to learn to read too.

I firmly believe that English should be our official language, and that this "bilingual" PC BS should be scrapped. Here is what I propose:
1) Immigrants should be required to use the community as a "school" to teach them English.
2) Immigrants should be required to show that they are competently fluent in English within 1 or 1 1/2 years of their arrival.
3) Immigrants should be required to understand that any political ties with their "mother country" were cut when they immigrated.
4) Immigrants should be required to make a significant attempt to assimilate into American culture, to learn AMERICAN history, and to understand the roots of our civilization.
5) Any immigrants who fail in any of these points should be severely reprimanded, fined or whatever, and for further offenses, be deported immediately.

I know the thoughts some people may have: "What happened to America's attitude of 'bring me your poor, your tired, your down-trodden, etc...?'"
Well, I must make it clear that this attitude still exists, yet not purely in a simple, open-armed way; but rather, as more of an "if you do this, then I will do this" attitude.
What I mean is that people have to understand that America is called the "Melting Pot," and not the "Salad" of the world for a reason. People must understand that when they come to America, they are to at least mostly blend into the present and incumbent culture and civilization. Sure, they may retain some of their own customs and flavors, and add such of them as they choose to the soup in the Melting Pot. But their refusal to assimilate into our culture, and their apparent attempt at colonization, their attempts to create their own "little Mexico" or "little China" here on American soil is not only incongruous with and inappropriate to their position, it is detrimental to that of the rest of us.

My thesis:
1) Assimilate and learn English, or Get the Hell Out;
2) If you are unwilling or unable to assimilate and learn English, DO NOT ENTER.

Gman

Swite,

I forgot. A lotta of these fellas are on ATV's and want to tear up our trails before they tear up "forever wild" trails owned by the State of NY, on which motorized vehicles are prohibited. Just more respect for the common good by the ignorant Right.

RJ Arena

When my grandfather came to this country, he realized very quickly that to get ahead he had to be an American. It was hard for him to learn English, but he did not want his children to fail, so he would not let them speak Italian in the home, and demanded that they(respectfully) correct his English when he spoke with them. When I was a little boy he told me how proud he was to be American, and if the other Italians didn't like it, they could go back anytime! So if it was good enough for my grandfather, it is good enough for those that followed him. You come here, learn to be American! Keep your traditions, your food. your customs, that stuff is great, but be an American first!

Greg

If you want to be AMERICAN be AMERICAN!!!! We will welcome you with open arms to the great melting pot. If you dont want to assimilate "GET THE HELL OUT NOW~!!!!!!"

Tommy

Look guys I think you are missing the boat on this one - big time!
I too want the people of this country to speak english. It would make everything so much easier. But...
Of course there is a but.
I am currently teaching myself to speak spanish - not because I have to, but I think, because of the way our country is going WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS IN THIS REGARD!

1. Bitch and moan about the fact that we are becoming a mixed pot and how we hate not knowing what people are saying, and how difficult it makes our jobs. Or...
2. Try what ever you can to make a difference yourself.

I could whine daily about latino folks talking behind my back, a seriously paranoid thought most english only speaking people have, or I can learn the language and bust them if they are doing it. Guess what - no one is doing it!

This guy saw a reason to make these signs and it is helping. He is selling the signs because there is a need for them. Let me repeat, I want folks to speak english too, and my neighbors are teaching english to latino's, they are both teachers. So many people are learning the language. You just have to open your eyes and your mind to see it.

We can bitch about our children having to walk the long way to school or we can go out and kick some drug-dealing gangsters asses!
Just like we can cry about people not knowing the language, or we can try what this gentleman and many others are doing to bridge the gap.

Do what you will. But know which person you are:
The guy who just complains, or the guy that does something about it.

another voice

The people immigrating here are from poor third world countries
of which are trying to improve their lives. Yes , whether we choose to be open-minded , narrow-minded , or close-minded....We have to teach them our American culture. 'Cause they way I see it,
our elected top brass, from the President down to local officials are on one agenda. That agenda is to show the world that our government is superior and to spread the capitalist ways throughout the world. Then maybe , we Americans can have the chance to live , trade, colonize , capitalize, infiltrate, exploit, and all of the other things us Americans are good for!




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