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April 10, 2007

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Discussion Topic: Should Names of Concealed-Carry Permittees Be Public Information?

Remember Roanoke Times editorial writer Christian Trejbal who caught a ton of flak after publishing a list of Virginia’s concealed-carry permittees on the paper’s website ostensibly to celebrate open records? (see here) Well, here’s a bit of irony, from the same paper:

An editorial writer's botched attempt to highlight an open record -- the list of Virginians licensed to carry a concealed handgun -- resulted Friday in the record being closed.

Acting on the advice of Attorney General Bob McDonnell, the Virginia State Police said they will no longer release the information under the state's open records law. . . .

McDonnell raised two concerns about making the information public: First, the list includes the names of crime victims and witnesses that should be withheld from public view for safety reasons.

A second and broader reading of the law by McDonnell is that the entire list should be off-limits to the public because the data is compiled only for use by police in their investigations.

Is this the right decision? Should we now be thanking Christian Trejbal?

Comments

Brian M.

I'm a Virginian and was upset that that my name was made public for no good reason. The attitude of the media is that concealed carry permit holders are dangerous. We would not be issued a permit if we did not qualify by having a clean record, which was proven by the background investigation we agreed to.

Mike Diehl

This is a good policy change.

Michael Ogee

It's a real easy philosophy, if are unarmed your assalant will use a knife. If he knows you have a knife he'll use a gun. If you have a gun but he's not sure, he'll leave you alone. There is such a difference between public records and rights to privacy. I can't beleive the Supreme Court wouldn't overrule this and make them hide personal info.

Simularily, would that mean that anytime anyone bought a rifle to hunt deer with the public has the right to know.

Cars kill more people than guns, how about making everyone's vehicle purchases open too?

joel

it was like giving the criminals a shopping list.I could also see it leading to witness tampering(death)

Patrick

Absolutely the right decision to bar public access to CCW permit records. Part of what makes concealed carry an effective deterrent to crime is the uncertainty. Publishing names of CCW permit holders takes away some of that uncertainty and gives a slight edge to the bad guys.

We should still be contemptous of Trejbal. he didn't mean to help us, he just inadvertently did so because of his stupidity.

Daniel

I'm from Ohio and the newspaper that I used to received(The Plain Dealer) published a list of permit holders to include their addresses. It is not the business of the editors to alert the criminal element of who I am and where I live! I, plus family and friends do not receive this newspaper anymore nor will I in the future. I took the training and the schooling and the shooting to receive this permit as did thousands of other law abiding Americans. WE did not go thru all this to screw it up by "showing off" or reenacting a "wild west" scenario"! Next time I go to get my driver's license renewed I'll expect a camera crew and a possible interview as to what I am expecting to do with my truck!

RJ Arena

Yea,
publish the names of those with C.W.Ps right after you publish the names of those people that have $10,000.00 and up of jewelry in their nightstands, or artwork valued in the $100's of thousands on their walls. What is the point?! It is clearly only a tactic of the antis' to attack us. The only option would then be a 10 ft. sign issued when you get your C.W.P. that says, "Attack me in my home and I'll blow your damned [email protected]#$&n' head off". That would be placed over each window and door.

Mike Diehl

"Cars kill more people than guns, how about making everyone's vehicle purchases open too?"

This is a point I often make to anti-firearms peers... that if all the fuss were really about "reducing carnage on the streets of America" the anti-firearms crowd's priorities are all screwed up. From a "public safety" POV they'd be on much firmer ground advocating bans on the use of cars.

This, of course, they won't do, because such drastic measures would incovenience them.

Dan

How about if Trejbal be REQUIRED to have this posted prominently in large letters on the front of his house:
No Weapons Allowed. Attention Criminals. This is a Defense Free Crime Zone. All Law Abiding Patrons of This Establishment Have Been Disarmed for Your Convenience.

Jim

Such information should not be considered public information. I have a carry permit but rarely carry a weapon. As one of the previous posts says, to be approved for a carry permit means the permit holder has passed a background check - and is not a danger. The criminal that carries the weapon illegally is the dangerous person. Unfortunately, there isn't a list to publish.

George Atkinson

I live in a rural ranching community with little to no crime.
I am positive that the low crime rate is directly related to the unknown factor of "Which households have the weapons"! Most, if not all households in my area have ample weaponry to defend themselves. This, in addition to dogs, if deterrent enough. If we depended on the law to protect us, it would take them at least 20 minutes to get close and another 10 to find the right house. If you come to my house looking for trouble, you will be on the receiving end of it. Nuff said!
George Atkinson

George Atkinson

I live in a rural ranching community with little to no crime.
I am positive that the low crime rate is directly related to the unknown factor of "Which households have the weapons"! Most, if not all households in my area have ample weaponry to defend themselves. This, in addition to dogs, if deterrent enough. If we depended on the law to protect us, it would take them at least 20 minutes to get close and another 10 to find the right house. If you come to my house looking for trouble, you will be on the receiving end of it. Nuff said!
George Atkinson
Texas

Goofus

This might be all right if it's reciprocal. I would really like to publish a list of Marxists.

bear

WE HERE IN NEW YORK,S WESTCHESTER & ROCKLAND COUNTIE,S WE HAD THEM SAME THING HAPPEN TO US. THE LOCAL PAPER PRINTED OUR NAME,S OF PERMIT HOLDER,S,THEY SAID THAT THEY HELD OUR ADDRESSES FROM PRINT. BIG DEAL THEY JUST OPENED A CAN OF WORM,S. AS FOR ALL OF US THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COURSE,S I DON,T THINK WE WOULD JEPORDIZE IT BY DOING SOMETHING STUPID. TO THOSE WHO REMEMBER ,THIS IS WHAT THE HITLER MACHINE DID PRE WW 2,WENT IN AND TOOK ALL OF THE WEAPON,S THAT PEOPLE HAD, DUE TO THE REGISTRATION AND RECORD,S THAT WERE ON HAND. THIS IS STEP ONE. MAY GOD LOOK OUT FOR US.

William

Hitler took Jews from their homes, not guns. You could use some more awareness and sensitivity in regards to the halocaust and the millions of victims.

Jim Kiser

As a Virginian one thing I think people should do is read the article Trejbal published. His reasoning was that making the info known was the equivalent of publishing the names and addresses of sex offenders. What a comparison! The paper finally pulled it when the realized they had published a Va Supreme Court Justice name and address. Also in response to William, Hitler as one of his first acts registered all firearms and seized quite a few firearms in his country. The 1968 Gun act is modeled after it according to various studies.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071015/NEWS/710150319

MEDFORD — The Mail Tribune filed suit Friday against Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters ([email protected] ), seeking a list of concealed handgun licenses as part of an effort to count how many license holders are teachers.




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