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Petzal: Gun News from Remington

This past week I was in South Carolina attending a seminar given by Remington, Marlin, H&R, Bushmaster, New England Firearms, and DPMS Panther Arms. These companies are joined at the hip under the name American Heritage Arms. We got so much information in three days that my calcifying brain can scarcely handle it all, but I'll give you what I consider the highlights.

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First is the .30 Remington AR, a new cartridge that's mated to a new configuration of the Remington R-15 rifle. The .30 Remington AR fills the gap between the 6.8 SPC and the .450 Bushmaster. It bears an amazing resemblance to the 7.92mm Kurz cartridge, which was developed for the revolutionary  German Sturmgewher rifle in 1941. According to Remington, it is a 350-yard deer-hunting load that is roughly the equal of the .308. It comes in three versions: a 125-grain AccuTip boattail, a 125-grain Core-Lokt PSP, and a 123-grain full-metal-jacket practice version. The muzzle velocity for all three is 2,800 fps.

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Remington will sell you a .30 AR rifle ready to go, or you can get an upper that is compatible with the standard AR-15 lower. The new upper accommodates the .30 AR by means of a modified .308 bolt head and barrel extension, and a modified 4-round magazine box.

All this was so new that we were not able to shoot a .30 Remington AR, but it looks perfect for people who like these rifles and have been hoping for a good deer round.

And a word about the Bushmaster: Its paper ballistics are 250 grains at 2,200 fps, but these figures don't do it justice. We were shooting one at an oversized cast-iron groundhog silhouette at 50 yards. A hit from a .223 would cause the target to sway almost imperceptibly, as though a squirrel had farted at it. A hit from the Bushmaster would lift the groundhog up out of its pivots and dump it on the ground. I like the Bushmaster.

Next time: A new .45/70 from Marlin that is cooler than Sarah Palin.      

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SilverArrow

WA Mtn
I think you are off by a bit over 10 years; the 7mm Rem Mag was early 1960s as was the .243 Win. The Century plus old .30-30 and .30-06 cartridges may have equals in the whitetail woods but no betters! While the folks who buy these wonderful new rifles scour the internet for any available ammo ten years from now I will be out with one of the aforementioned calibers scouring the woods for deer! With the money I am saving by not buying the latest .30 whatchamacallit I am buying .30-30, .30-06, .22 and shotgun ammo enough to last the rest of my hunting life!
SA

crm3006

Way, way back in the late 1960s, I
was introduced to the .308 Winchester as the 7.62 NATO. Being fresh off the ranch, I had
shot a few .30-30s and an 8mm Mauser. I knew I was a good shot, because I could kill squirrels with a .22 and quail with a 16 gauge. Well..., that didn't work so well with an M-14. I couldn't get the concept of the peep sight and that military trigger to come together for any degree of accuracy.
Enter SSG Wardlaw, an old school DI who had previous experiance with young bucks who knew they were good shots. His first statement was to "think of the 7.62 as a .30-'06 short." He then proceded to coach me (and many others) into being very passable shots with the M-14. I ended up shooting Expert with the 14 and later used the principals instilled into me by SSG Wardlaw to shoot expert with anything the Army handed me, including the M-16, CAR-15, and 1911-A1.
I always belived the M-14 was the superior rifle, and never really came to love or trust the M-16 in any of it's configurations. The whole point of this little discourse is-- the military does not need new and better rounds, weapons or superduperwhooper stuff as much as it needs more instruction in basic marksmanship. Reference the trend in recent times to get back to the M-14 and the 1911 A-1. As some wise writer on this blog has pointed out again and again, "it ain't the arrer, it's the Indian."
We in the civilian world will continue to be blessed with every new whateverinhell the firearms industry comes up with to throw on the market to get into the pocket of the American gun buyer, but again, the bottom line is, we have been doing it for years, (and doing it damn well, in some cases,) with the .30-30 Win.,.243 Win,.300 Savage,.25-'06 Rem.,.257 Roberts, .308 Win, .30-'06, .270 Win, .280 Rem., 7mm Rem Mag,.35 Rem., .300 Win Mag, etc., etc. Just insert your favorite calibration. Again, and again, the Thunderf****r Magnum with Nevermiss optics is no substitute for proper marksmanship technique and good shot placement, what ever the arrer any particular Indian chooses to shoot.

sarg

We shooters are always looking for new and different cartridges. Just like automobiles..This week I bought a new CamryXLE. Had a new one already but my old work car was getting a little rough.so I take the wife and got her one. Has a lot of extras, even tellthe computer the tire pressure, but still gets me from here to there. Was it any better than my other CamryXLE, I don't think so. Would I trade my .308 Rem.700 for a new one, Not really. Did buy something newer, a .204Ruger in H&R. was it better than my .223, not really. So we got a new cartridge now, just watch it for a while, if it catches on I may try it. Do I need it, no. would I hunt deer with it instead of my Rem.in .308, probably not.

WA Mtnhunter

Silver Arrow

Thanks for the correction. I did not have my Lee manual handy that lists the dates cartridges were introduced when I punched out my post.

My old .35 Whelen put the elk in the freezer again this season. 309 yards, double punched both lungs, went about 20 feet and down. I think I have enough Federal 225 grain Trophy Bonded ammo to last my elk hunting days. Let's see... Three rounds to check zero, three or four rounds (max) fired at deer or elk each year. Hmm... 5 1/2 boxes should last 15.7 years. I guess I should buy a couple of more if I want to hunt past 75! (or shoot a few less)

Don Malzahn

In the June issue of Field & Stream you mentioned a Marble w/Blood Knife. We have one that was purchased approximately 1918. Your article states they are worth up to $10,000. Where do we find a buyer for this knife? The story was the 20 Best Knives.Thank you for your help.




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