And yeah, I posted that.

And BTW I take exception to the "the only thing a 28-inch barrel is good for is pole vaulting." part, I have a Swede Mauser which even with taking the last 4 inches off of the barrel it still is longer than any scoped rifle case I ever saw. It gets packed into a shotgun case for going hunting, I also carry a 44 mag for brush use where I can't swing the "cannon" as my kids call it.

Sounds like the WH and the WCGB were both dumber than a flat rock.
A .30-'06 will kill anything on the North American continent just as dead at viable shooting ranges as what ever that super-duper whooper the WH just had to have, and probably has killed a lot more of it, whatever IT is!!

I will make one more statement here.

If you prefer/want a magnum rifle, shoot-heck-fuzzy-fire, go for it! I don't care. Just don't chide me because I want my deer dead and not destroyed!

Bubba

Yeah, yeah, yeah... been there done that one myself. .257 Wby Mag from 30 yards and Nosler Ballistic Tips pretty much explode on impact. Found all my deer except for one that another fellow shot about 150 yards away. Just found the blood trail and gut pile for that one.

Like a friend told me water-skiing one time "if you're not falling you're not learning". From then on I would venture out past the wake and experiment and not worry about others laughing when I did a face dive in the water. Pretty much applies to everything.

I have had my share of cannons - including a Lazzeroni Warbird and Firebird and three .454 Casulls. Loved to shoot them and I don't blame anyone for wanting one. (I always wished Lazz made a .35 caliber, though that might be borderline masochistic. He could just call it "Thumper.") These guns had their places, and I never considered their purchase a mistake. That said, recent whitetail I have taken were with a .270Win Failsafe, a .50 cal swaged round ball, and a 100gr fixed broadhead. Each was under a different hunting situation. Each worked just fine.

Some of us, me included at times, especially when I was a know-it-all teenager or when no one knowledgeable was around to show me the ropes, just have to be humbled before the light bulb clicks on and we seek out someone we respect with more experience. Hopefully, the light bulb went on for WH.

It is so important to reach out to others, not just youngsters, to patiently introduce them to hunting, shooting, reloading, and the "stuff" (a big thank you to the good gun writers and Hunter Safety and NRA trainers). But some of us can be so opinionated, arrogant, and self-righteous that the neos turn away. There's one gun writer out there whose articles even I won't read, and others whom I turn off as soon as they open their mouths ... and I haven't been a teenager in decades! Frustrating, because they have some good information.

Some responsible and educated experimentation is fine. But if WH was turned onto the 7mm STW Ballistic Tip by another shooter then that person also has to take some responsibility and help set him right.

There are plenty of fools at every income level who think they know everything about everything. But there is certainly something to the know-it-all businessman sterotype. Outfitters seem shocked and then are usually super helpful when I say "What do you think is best for an average shooter" No doubt every other guy who want into their shop in a suit is crack shot / master hunter / navy seal / gunsmith who can take the kick from a cannon with on arm.

Manufactures get people to buy new bows every year and "magnum" cartridges that no one needs by touting FPS- it sure seems to work.

I am not opposed to the magnum rifles/cartridges produced today or in the past. I have experienced several of them myself, and don't think that most of them are the best for me,personally. I do have, and shoot, regularly, a .338 Win.mag.,
but when I prepare to go hunting, 85% of the time I will take the 25/06, 10% the 30/06,and 5% the .338. With all due respect to Roy Weatherby, his touting of the hyper velosity/hydraulic shock, freebore design,etc, though selling many rifles, has produced a generation of hunters who believe you have to have the very biggest, loudest, kickingest smoke pole available in order to be taken seriously as a hunter.
And actually, for 90% of my own deer and elk hunting, my old 94 in 30/30 would be adaquate for the task, I just happen to shoot the others better, because I don't see so well and don't have, or want a scope on that old warhorse. This is not to condemn those of you who do regularly hunt with the big ones, but the truth is that the short fats are simply duplications of old and tried rounds that have been around for a lifetime. I don't need an excuse to buy a new firearm, except that I want it, but I don't buy the hype/hoopla that the arms companies spread in order to sell a new rifle. Shoot whatever you like, hunt whatever style works for you, life is too short to be unhappy on someone elses values, even mine.

This is entirely off topic but i feel it needs to be said. If anyone thats reads this blog gets the NRA magazine American Rifleman please tear out the card inside telling about Barrack Obamas atrocious gun, make as many copies as you can afford. Distribut them to eveyone u know that might possibly be casting their ballot for Barrack Obama. We must perserve our right to keep and bear arms!

Ten Hunter Guy,
What's going to matter is US going to the polls. Lets get out and ensure our sportsmen friends vote.

names have been changed to protect the silly?
I LOVE IT!

I find it interesting that using a Nosler Ballistic Tip and if my memory serves me right is a solid base bullet. Two things have not been mentioned. First was shot placement? And second even solid base does allot plowing witch points back to shot placement?! I was getting complete pass thru on mule deer with Nosler Solid Base 55 grain out of my 22-250 with excellent performance with good clean kills.

I’m willing to bet that rifle kick like a truck load of mules and the flinch factor was off the scale!

When I was stationed at Holloman AFB that borders White Sands Missile Range the home of imported African Ibex, I’ve heard a lot of stories of bullets blowing up and not even penetrating past the ribs.

Speaking of White Sands Missile Range, Wildlife Officials and Law Enforcement could not figure what was killing the Mountain Lions (Cougars). They had bullet holes but could not find the bullet. One day one of the Game Biologists spotted a young Ibex running with a small Mountain Lion still shishkebabbed on its horns. Case Closed!

By the way, I knew a clown in Alaska using a 375 H&H with Nosler Partitions wounded a nice Caribou double shovel that ran off Taylor Mountain never to be seen again and dropped 3 cows with one shot! That idiot lucked out by bringing out all the meat and because he did not punch his harvest ticket because a kill is a kill only received only a 100 dollar fine and suspended license for the remainder of the season. But WAIT! That idiot wanted me to take him north of the Yukon River were your allowed 5 caribou and shoot a Caribou or two on my license with my gun, NOT NO BUT HELL NO and not going to be in my truck either!

Do you know what the difference between Genius and stupidity?

Genius has it's limitations. Case in point WH vs WCGB.

I was told a long time ago that if you are paying good money for a rifle then the gunsmith will not take you down the wrong road. Trust him with your rifle project if you don't then find one you do....