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What's Wrong with this Picture?

One of the fringe benefits to last week's Supreme Court decision was Friday’s editorial in The New York Times, a newspaper that unfailingly  hits new heights of hysteria at anything remotely favorable to gun owners. The Times’ view of America, at least as far as firearms are concerned, is apocalyptic. Heller will unleash armed mobs; the end is near.

It reminds me of Alexander Hamilton’s quote: “The people, sir, is a beast.”

From Friday’s Times editorial page we get:
“This is a decision that will cost innocent lives, cause immeasurable pain and suffering and turn America into a more dangerous country. It will also diminish our standing in the world, sending yet another message that the United States values gun rights over human life.”

Not bad. On the Gun Nut Hysteriameter I give it an 8.5 out of a possible 10. Now we jump to page E1, the Weekend Arts section, where we come to the review of a new movie titled “Wanted,” and this amazing description:

“A man has soared onto the roof of a high rise where he has laid a handful of others to waste. Suddenly the camera cuts to his face as a bullet exits his head in slow motion, his skin stretching forward as the projectile tears through it going straight for the camera and our already numbed skulls. Well, that’s one way to get the attention of fickle movie goers…”

Is that what it is? I might have thought it was senseless glorification of violence to make a buck, glamorizing killing and inviting some of the halfwit jerks who watch this stuff to try it themselves. I might have thought it was the kind of thing that the Times Editorial page might condemn, except that on page 11 of the same section is a ¾-page, four-color ad for “Wanted,” for which said paper was paid a whole bunch of money. And as we are all aware, this is a very tough year for newspapers.

So I guess I will not hold my breath waiting for that particular editorial.

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Buckstopper

Is it a full moon? The crazies are out tonight.

Someone verify this story for me.
Barrack Obama was speaking to a classroom in Texas. In his condesending way demanded total silence as he clapped his hands every few seconds, then told the children "for every clap you heard a child died from gun violence". A child in the back said "then stop clapping your hands you dumbass!"

ZZTOP

...

"There's a reason why the New York Times takes the positions it does, and that reason has nothing to do with logic or statistics. It has everything to do with the way a vocal minority of gun owners regularly pisses in the pot from which we all must drink."

Actually, numbnut, the reason is the same one most of us have. They know on which side their bread is buttered. NYT like most 'Mainstream' media is beholden to the dollars that pay those editors and writers (using both terms loosely) and as such their editorials reflect the viewpoint of their advertisers and backers not their own readers or by any stretch of the imagination real mainstream America!
SA

SilverArrow

Above post was mine.

Sure there are vocal minorities of everything from ethnic Antarcticans to Chrysler PT Cruiser owners. The only time any media pays attention to them is when they need a pull-quote to decorate a shitty story. Same with vocal 2A supporters, we can make the best arguments ever and get ignored' the minute some nimrod comes out with a stupid line in public it becomes a pull-quote speaking for all gun owners in Time or LA Times, Washington Post, NYT etc..
SA

Clay Cooper

Thomas

You’re absolutely right!
It doesn’t matter if you’re in or out of the city limits. Just how quick you can react to the threat is a matter of life and death. I will avoid any and all confrontation until I have no other means. In fact, when I do carry concealed and I find myself avoiding the simplest of arguments I am carrying concealed.

Peter H.

What ever happened to people studying history? I looked online saturday for statistics on the crime rate difference in Washington D.C. Before the first gun ban...and after they passed it....guess what violent crime rate.

heres some statistics if you guys are interested.

http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/09/10/gunloon-myths-dc-gun-laws-caused-homicides-to-increase/

Peter H.

sorry i didn't finish my sentence...it was suppossed to say ..." guess what happened with the crime rate"

Shaky

Hoagie; I, personally, do not need or appreciate, a lecture from a supposed gun advocate on the proper form of rant I am allowed. If you really are a gun owner, and have read the SCOTUS verdict, why are you so nervous about what is said on this blog?
Your worry is the same as the rabbid antigunners: you are afraid that YOU won't be able to control other people. That is what the constitution of the US is all about, preventing people like you from controling people like me.
The first amendment gives me the right to say what I want to say, and my opinion is just as valuable as yours. In my opinion, your opinion carries no weight with me.

Scott

Wow. Mention our best victory since, oh, 2003 and the left goes nuts. Very easy to watch them self destruct on this one. Does anyone remember a little book NRA had available back in the '90s called the Second Amendment Primer? I had two copies and gave them both away to people I was trying to lead to the light, so-to-speak. Looking for another copy.

John Grunwald

What happened in Florida and Texas after concealed carry and right to carry laws were enacted? CRIME DECREASED. In Texas it is legal to shoot to kill anybody on or in your property at night who it looks like might do harm to your property, family or person. Crime always goes down for a while after it is made known that some one was killed or maimed for life and the shooter was applauded by the police. The dummies seem to forget it until the next time it happens. By the way Houston has less murders than DC or Detroit does.
I have not personnaly seen the statatistics but I heard Floridas crime rate dropped after the new gun laws were passed.
What was one of Hitler's first acts? Ban and collect ALL personal weapons.

John Grunwald

I forgot to ask. What turns a liberal gun banning New Yorker to a conservative right to carry gun carrier overnight? Getting mugged.

Red Guard

The Truth about kids and guns:http://nimbusters.org/forum/forum.php?board=12

Rusty In Missouri

I love my country it is my government I am afraid of. As far as newspapers go they and all other media are HOs going to the highest bidder.

SD Bob

After reading the quip Dave wrote about the New York paper and it's belief that America will be a more dangerous place to be fuels my belief that all to many people hop on the bus of poliitical correctness. I'm sure we all could agree that that cars/trucks are killing way more unfortunate people than guns being used by the responsible majority! Add some alcohol or the newest contributor to vehicular death...celluar phones and you have the making of some serious issues. Of course it's not "sexy" to speak out against automobiles or cell phones so you won't hear about that. I'd be willing to bet the anti gun crowd has put way more lives at risk by drinking than responsible gun owners have by owning guns. Its hard to imagine that those who partake in the rights of a free press forget that individuals with guns fought for the right for them to have that right.

I've debated with those types before with the premis being that I'll give up my guns when they give up their right to free speech. After they recover from epileptic stroke from disbelief you'll hear comments like "it's my right" and "that would would be unconstitutional" and all I say is "right".

Clay Cooper

Rusty in Missouri
I love my Country and
I fear my Government!

Remember ATF doing 3am raids on innocent home owners.

Ruby Ridge come to mind

Duck Creek Dick

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson

Mark-1

That’s what the Constitution is all about, you dummies.

…..Restricting abusive Government.

…And don’t ever forget it like the Left has done.

Hoagie

SA, I think your argument is a bit simplistic. There may be something to what you say, but it sure ain't the whole story.

I think the reason, or at least one big part of the reason, that the Times editorial board takes the positions it does is they have no idea who gun owners are, because they live in New York City, where nobody can own a gun. One of the few places they do get exposure to gun owners is in places like this -- mainstream media outlets like Field & Stream. And I gotta say, if I read many of these comments (not all) and had no background in the sport, they would scare me half to death.

It's a simple argument, really. There's too much of this around:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg

Blogs are great places to vent your spleen. But the 2nd Amendment is too important for such short term gratification. I don't give a donkey's foreskin about controlling anyone, but I do care about keeping our sport alive and our rights safe, and anyone who thinks public perception isn't an important part of that needs to crawl out of the bomb shelter and take a look at the real world.

Michael

Dave,
One wonders if university journalism classes are still teaching the Code of Ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists. I suspect not. The New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, and others flagrantly and frequently violate these principles. Advertising pays the bills and salaries; many advertisers will pull their ads if a newspaper exhibits even a tiny pro-gun stance. In this respect, most of the major dailies and TV news in America are nothing more than whores of the first order, unworthy of respect or the title of professional journalist. I am just now listening to Fox News editorialize against my home state of Texas because a law-abiding citizen shot two illegal immigrants who were breaking into and burglarizing his neighbor's home. The Fox newsperson (a woman) stated the two Colombian illegals would be alive if the man had stayed in his house. In other words, look the other way and do nothing when you see criminals breaking the law. Because the grand jury in Harris County, Texas no-billed this citizen who was fed up with the crimes committed by illegal immigrant felons in his community, an injustice has taken place. The anchor even went so far as to suggest the families of the two felons could file civil lawsuits against this hero. Hell, my hat is off to him! Where in the Constitution does it say criminals, especially illegal immigrant criminals have more rights than law-abiding citizens?

TommyNash

Petzal, you do an awesome job.

So the Founding Fathers and friends overthrow a tyrannical government by means of violence and force (guns included), and you're going to try and tell me that the intent of the second ammendment was for only the government to have guns??? Nice line from the Outlaw Josey Wales..."Don't piss down my back and tell me its rainin."

I think all the silly laws and discussion that exists about carry laws and gun control in general is most comical. I carry all the time, in all places....anyone's foolish laws be damned. I'd much rather you put me on trial for a carry violation than put some piece of trash on trial for murdering me and leaving my wife a widow and my kids fatherless.

steve S

From cnn.com

Interesting stat...

ATLANTA, Georgia, (AP) -- The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves from intruders in their homes. But research shows that surprisingly often, gun owners use the weapons on themselves.

The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves.

Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Michael

I think the Heller decision stinks to high heaven. I do not need somw black robed idiot telling me what I alreay knew, that I have a RIGHT to have guns. How dare anyone raise up the fortitude to act like they can rule on my RIGHTS! You cannot legislate, regulate, or moderate a RIGHT. What part of RIGHT don't these idiots understand?

Michael

Clay Cooper

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
-Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.


“If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too.”
-W. Somerset Maugham


“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”
-Patrick Henry, from “Against the Federal Constitution”, 1788-Jun-5

Clay Cooper

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
-Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.


“If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too.”
-W. Somerset Maugham


“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”
-Patrick Henry, from “Against the Federal Constitution”, 1788-Jun-5


“In growing up, the normal individual has learned to check the expression of aggressive impulses. But the culture has failed, almost entirely, in inculcating internal controls on actions that have their origin in authority. For this reason, the latter constitutes a far greater danger to human survival.”
-Stanley Milgram, Yale social psychologist, in Obedience To Authority

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
-Daniel Webster

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-Ben Franklin

“Whenever we are attacked, people are willing to give up someone else's liberties for their own security.”
-Andrew P. Napolitano, on FNC, 2004-Dec-18

“The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.”
-John Hay, 1872

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
-H.L. Mencken

“Winston could not definitely remember a time when his country had not been at war”
-George Orwell, 1984

“Facts must be distorted, relevant circumstances concealed, and a picture presented which by its crude coloring will persuade the ignorant people that their Government is blameless, their cause is righteous, and that the indisputable wickedness of the enemy is beyond question.
A moment's reflection would tell any reasonable person that such obvious bias cannot possibly represent the truth. But the moment's reflection is not allowed; lies are circulated with great rapidity. The unthinking mass accept them and by their excitement sway the rest.
The amount of rubbish and humbug that pass under the name of patriotism in wartime in all countries is sufficient to make decent people blush when they are subsequently disillusioned.”
-Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime, 1928

“It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.”
-Ayn Rand

“the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
-J. Edgar Hoover, 1956, speaking of communism

SilverArrow

Hoagie:
Symplistic? I think not! When you look at the ownership of most news media in this country and which side of our issue they support you will find very few in our corner. They the publishers hire the editors and in turn the editors hire the writers. If a major advertiser is at odds with the editorial content of the paper, magazine, radio or television station they pick up the phone and call the publisher...

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out what happens when a major advertiser expresses such concerns to the publisher.
SA




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