« Two Cases Where Bigger Isn't Better | Main | Bourjaily on Goose Hunting with a Rake »

June 02, 2008

This page has been moved to http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut

If your browser doesn’t redirect you to the new location, please visit The Gun Nut at its new location: www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut.

Odds and Ends

A correspondent of mine just came back from New Zealand where he killed a very big red stag with a single shot from a .308 at 200 yards. The stag dropped in its tracks, and I asked the hunter how he was able to do this with a 58-year-old cartridge whose ballistics are modest at best.
"Easy," he e-mailed back. " I simply put a piece of tape over the caliber stamp on the barrel. That way, the animals don't know what they're being shot with."

In 1978, I had the pleasure of hunting in Botswana with Ian Manning, then a South African PH. As we sat around a mopane-wood fire, toasting dung beetles for supper, the talk turned to the Carter administration, then in its second year and setting new records for ineptitude.
"David," said Ian, "you people [Americans] must stop electing these a******s president. This is quite serious."

It is quite serious; we have not listened to Ian Manning; and we are paying for it.

I've been reading Frederick Forsyth's novel The Afghan, which contains the following information:
"Some snipers like a really tiny bullet, like the Remington 700 .308, a slug so small that it has to be sheathed in a detachable sleeve to go down the barrel at all."

"Heaviest of all [sniper rifles] is the Barrett Light Fifty, a monster that sends a bullet like a human forefinger over a mile with enough speed times weight to cause a human body to explode."
"It [a .408 Cheyenne] was a bolt-action rifle, which he appreciated because the total lockdown of a closed bolt gave that tiny extra stability at the moment of detonation."

"He had burnished and buffed the nose tip [of the bullet] to eradicate the tiniest vibration in flight."
And of course the American SF sniper under discussion makes a head shot at 2,100 yards. Oddly enough, this is do-able. The record for the longest confirmed sniper shot is held by a Canadian sharpshooter named Rob Furlong, who hit a militant in Afghanistan with a .50 McMillan rifle at 2,657 yards. The first shot missed altogether; the second struck the man's backpack, and the third did the job.

Excuse me; I have to go and burnish some nose tips.


TrackBack URL for this entry:

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Odds and Ends:


Billy Dixon

I once killed an injun at 1538 yards with a .50-90 Sharps...

Kimbo Slice

I shot a Guar in Tadoba,India last year using the same - tape over the caliber - trick. Unfortunately, the pesky limb of a Banyan tree snagged the tape and revealed the caliber just prior to my shot. The Guar, realizing he was being shot with a .22 Hornet, charged me. Unfortunately, every guide in the shikar was horribly gored, luckily I was able to climb the offending Banyan tree and escaped serious injury.

Clay Cooper

Mr. johnnydwson
First of all, that gutless weasel Jimmy Carter is a idiot that started all our problems to begin with! You come here with a loaded mouth and a empty mind! Go back and study your history and all the proposals of making the United States independent from economic takeovers and disasters, provided you’re smarter than a fifth grader!!


All the left knows, FOOD GOOD! FIRE BAD!

Subject: Conservatives/Liberals
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the
summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the
beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can
were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around
waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the
brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at
night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what
is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live
off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing
the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women.
The rest became known as girlie-men.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of
cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest,
most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are
symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like
their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard
liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers,
personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group
therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still
provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo
cowboys, Polymer Science PhDs, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, Physicists, police officers, corporate executives,
athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers
and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans
are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals
remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They
crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that a
Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above
before forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so
convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be
forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals
just to piss them off.

Clay Cooper

David E. Petzal and Group
Remember these words and know them well!

Illegitimi non carborundum"
(Latin "don't let the bastards grind you down")


and also remember...

Nupperime de Gallia huc volavi! Mehercule, bracchia mea defatiga sunt!

(Latin "I just flew in from Gaul, and boy, are my arms tired!")

Clay Cooper

Jim in Mo.

Recipes for 130? You bet!
You will find that the 130 grain will clobber the biggest Mule Deer and White Tail with less kick too!
I love the performance of the Hornady 130 grain soft point especially on Mule Deer!
308 Win bolt gun load: start with 51 grains (3000fps) and work up to 54 grains (3100fps) with Winchester 748

30-06 bolt gun load: For about 42 years, I’ve been shooting 54 grains of IMR4064 pushing out around 3200fps. The next batch will be loaded with Win748, 58 grains maybe bunp it up to 59 pushing close to or at 3400 fps.

By the way, the 308 Win at 200 yards loaded with a good 180 grain bullet works very well on Moose!
I’m shooting 3/8” at 100 yards with Hornady 150 SST with 53 grains of IMR4064, Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers just over 3100fps! You may want to try WIN748 with your 150 grain loadings.

Jim in Mo.

Thanks for info. I don't have 308 so will use data for '06, already have 4064 on hand. Also, your last para. about 748 I assume your talking .308 Win. loads.
As far as 308 concerned I've heard R-15 pretty good. Have you tried it in '06 with 130s?

Bob In Tampa

As the story goes, a Marine sniper in Afganistan was asked what he felt when shooting a Taliban.

His response..."RECOIL""

Clay Cooper

Jim in Mo.
30-06 load for 130 grain I use 54 grains of IMR4064 and I’ve been using that load for 42 some odd years and it’s my favorite deer load for my 30-06. It’s the best load I’ve found from ranging from busting Jackrabbits to desert poodles to the biggest mule deer on the planet! Try it, you will like it and that’s my friend is no joke!!!

Clay Cooper

Jim in Mo

By the way, Win748 works fantastic in bolt and gas gun, and one of the best powders I have found for NRA High Power Match and Hunting alike. Win748 in a 30-06 can push a 150grain at 3100fps!

Clay Cooper

Have you tried it in '06 with 130s?

Shot tons of it in a 30-06 and I like it!

Clay Cooper

Neal Boortz for President!
Michael Savage for Attorney General!

Jim in Mo.

No, haven't tried any 130grs nor any Win 748. I'll try both 748 & 4064.
If I try 150 gr again I'll try 748 because 4064 gave good hunting accuracy but nothing else to write home about. IMHO I think the 150s are useless for '06. The load you gave for 4064 and 130gr. bullets may be different story, I'll try it. BTW, have one bolt and one pump in '06, no semi's.

Jim in Mo.

BTW, I like Hornady also, but I stick with the Interlocks, at the possible close range around here I'm afraid SST/BT may blow. At close range and at longer range I know Intlks. will hold together and expand.

Matthew Quigley

Maybe I should try some Taliban and Al Quaeda at 1500 yards with a .45-110?

Clay Cooper

Jim in Mo.
The Hornady 130 grain is an interlock bullet and does not separate. I have complete pass thru on majority of all the mule deer I’ve taken, never lost one and never had to follow up with a second shot and all my hunting friends that switched over to the 130 never had a problem and love that screamer of a load! . Trust me Jim, I’ve shot well over 15,000 Hornady 130 grain and never had a problem and it puts the whammy on whatever you shoot! Try it, you will like it!! Less kick, velocity of a 223 with the punch of a 30 cal! Try it Jim!

Clay Cooper

Mathew Quigley
My friend had a Ruger #1 with a 26 inch barrel chambered in 45-120 pushing a 350 grain at 2500fps and reaching out, watching the rocks turn to dust and a several yards of dust go flying up at 1500 plus yards it really awesome! Now if you really want to have some fun, get a Ruger #3 in 45-70 and pump a 350 grainer up to 2200 fps, it will clean you sinuses out! Not bad on the kick, just a fast hard push!

WA Mtnhunter


Is that load safe for a Shiloh Sharps 1874?

Dr. Ralph

Man I love those single shot Rugers! Brother in law had one in .375 H&H Mag and you could shoot it all day. He also has the .22-250 heavy barrel varmint version and it is probably the most accurate rifle I have fired. He claims 3/4" groups at 200 yards. At one time he owned six different No.1's. Mine is the light weight version a 1-A in 7mm Mauser and it kicks like a little girl. Bet if I handloaded I could just fill the case completely up with powder and let her rip.

The editors must like pics of Ms. Cuthbert too!

Jim in Mo

sorry that was me

WA Mtnhunter

Is that load safe for a Shiloh Sharps 1874?

Not just no, HELL NO!

Thats for a Ruger #1 or #3 only period! You will blow that Sharps up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clay Cooper

Dr. Ralph
When Mr. Bill Ruger was tinkering around with his experimental Ruger #3 45-70, he deliberately loaded rounds trying to blow it up. The load got so hot it melted the casing in the chamber as the story goes. I wonder what feet per second he got out of that round?

Jim in Mo

I wonder how many gun testers Mr. Ruger ended up paying workmans comp.?

Rocky Mtn Hunter

I have one of the best Gunsmiths could be found. We a guy takes him a gun for what ever reason to be repaired, my smith has riged up stand to hold teh rifle and a string about l0 ft long that he ties to the trigger then loads the rifle with l round in the magazine. The stand has straps to hold gun and a Butt stop to prevent a lot of recoil. The smith says he almost lost both eyes years ago by shooting a gun that he was told shot ok but guy could not zero. The shell bursted wide open when hammer fell. So, he made this contracption for safety in checkig out guns before he begins to work on them. Kinda a safe measure I would say.He also has a simular setup for handguns. He , prior to becomming a gun smith was a tool and dye man and has all the equiptment to make a gun from scratch, and I mean scratch. He can make any part needed for most guns of any caliber. Loves working on real old guns, wher parts not available. He re-did a Custom Made gun I bought, that was made on a Mausr action. We never could find out the caliber when first made, but I love the 06 so he re-chambered and rebored the bbl for a 30-06. Its a tack driver, and much to pretty to wonder thru the woods with/ It's my Ground house gun now and then, but mostly my show and tell gun.The gunsmith says, he never saw one like it and it is suppose to be one of a kind as per where I got my hands on it,.Price, well, best I never tell or a divorse would be coming.. Shoot-um-straight and often. Gunslinger down South

Our Blogs