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May 19, 2008

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On Cops and Guns

The county where I pay outrageous taxes requires that if you have guns in your car, they either be in a locked hard case or in a soft case with a trigger lock. It's likely that of every 100 people who drive with guns in this county (particularly if they're from somewhere else) no more than 10 know about the law, and of those 10 five actually care enough to obey it. This would make for a bad situation, except that most of the county cops don't know what the law is, and don't care about it either.
      
Most people come to grief copwise/gunwise when they are pulled over for traffic violations or for speeding. Many police routinely ask if you have any weapons in the car, and if the answer is yes, I can assure you that what would have been a simple citation or a warning will go into a whole new dimension. It doesn't matter what you have, or how you're carrying it, or why, you now have trouble.
      
That's part one. Part two is, although most police are indifferent to gun laws, if you mouth off to them, they will want payback, and if you happen to have a gun with you, you are in deep doo-doo. A shooting/hunting acquaintance of mine told me last week about being pulled over for something and cracking wise to the officer. Then:
      
"He tore that car apart. He spent a half hour, going through the trunk, the glove compartment, under the seats, everything. If I'd had a gun, I'd be in jail right now."

For more information, on the subject, see if you can find Chris Rock's excellent instructional video, "How To Not Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police" Good taste prohibits us from running it here, but I promise you it's worth your time.

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Jim in Mo.

Dennis,
I agree with you 100% until the last part where you stated (perhaps in anger) that we want cops (you) to 'raise our kids for us'. Excuse me? If you encounter a parent doing what they know it takes to straighten their kid out, then go back to your needed business, your not needed there. Parents want parental control over their kids not some cop telling them they can't spank its abuse. BS. Same goes for teachers, parents and cops need to give them a break. This PC crap makes me puke.
It takes a family to raise a kid not a village.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

Dennis if the job is so stressful, change jobs.All jobs are stressful these days.With the country gone to Hell in a Handbasket what can you expect. If I'm in the wrong, a Cop is suppose to interview me. But, he can be a gentleman and not a l/2 Ass, I'm THE MAN DO AS I SAY OR I WILL BUST YOUR ASS. LIsten to the person you stopped, he/she may have a real legit reason for what-ever you stopped them for. Neither you or I are always perfect, if we were you would not be a cop and me not a poor mechanic guy, trying to feed my family. I don't know 100%, but I bet you pretty well know a little about the car( maybe not the occupants) you stopped before you get out of yours, thats what all those gadgets inside your cruiser tell you, RIGHT?AS long as I got my CC permit, I will take care of myself, thats what I got it for.If I call you, will be after the fact.

Badger

Cops - If we would let them carry two guns they'd work for free!

OSBI

Take ticket. Never waive your 4th amendment rights. "Sir, are you carrrying any guns, knives, clubs, explosives or weapons of mass destruction?" (chuckle at cop humor) "You don't mind if I just take a look do you?" REFUSE. If you end up in court, always ask them what they did for a living before they became public servants. (you'd be amazed)

Dennis

JIM,

I was refering to a large portion of the population that does want someone else, cops, courts, job and family services, to raise there kids for them. Most people with any sense wouldnt call the police when there kid misbehaves they would discipline the kid themselfs. RkymtnHuntr
Most cops do listen to the individual and do not behave with the mentality you describe. You can save the I'll call the police after I take of it myself nonsense I hear it from toughguys like yourself on a regular basis. If thats the case great, but most dont need to state it.

Dennis

JIM,

I was refering to a large portion of the population that does want someone else, cops, courts, job and family services, to raise there kids for them. Most people with any sense wouldnt call the police when there kid misbehaves they would discipline the kid themselfs. RkymtnHuntr
Most cops do listen to the individual and do not behave with the mentality you describe. You can save the I'll call the police after I take of it myself nonsense I hear it from toughguys like yourself on a regular basis. If thats the case great, but most dont need to state it.

Jim in Mo.

Dennis,
I figured thats what you meant but nowadays kids 'know their rights' and They call the cops! Those are the cases that just kill me.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

To me Cops work for me( the tax payer who payes his salary). All jobs these days are stressful. With the ecomony gone to Hell and jobs gone sough, most individuals are stressed out ealy in teh Am. I do think there are some good, honest, hard working cops, working for a living. Then there is the smart Ass like in any job who wants to show his Authority. I worked 35 yrs for a Boss who felt this was his world. If i do something wrong, I do expect a cop to stop me, but show respect, not bull shit and authority. That Badge and Firearm does not mean he is perfect 100% of the time.I', 73 yrs old, drive and hunt all I can, I will not take any Bull for some smart Assed individual, my CC Permit is for my protection only, not to create a roblem for you, me or etc. A cop is not always available. In teh County I live in from midnight we have one Highway Patrolman on call to cover the entire county that reaces 70 miles across. If I got to wait till he arrives to handle a bad situation, will be useless for him to arrive. All I expect from Law-inforcement, is enforece the law, protect the public from the un-fits and show respect to the average person and not act like He will BURST your A if you speak.

Dennis

Most cops do show respect and do not think they are right all of the time. Alot of the time Police have to be blunt and to the point, to deal with a situation at hand and I believe alot of times people just dont like it. For example, today I was flagged down by a scraggly guy in a not so nice govt subsidized part of town, as he walked toward my car. While hes walking up hes got his right hand buried in his pocket and hes looking left to right. I yell at him to get his hand out of his pocket and he doesn't hear me. I tell him again as he gets closer and nothing. So I have to scream it at him as I'm getting out my car. Well he says he didnt hear me and he is instantly pissed, as all he wanted to do was tell me (and no I'm not making this up)he would like to file charges on an eight year old for hitting his seven year old with a baseball while playing. The point is suddenly I'm a jerk for assuming this guy might harm me. The fact is an officer was shot in the head and killed by what he thought was just a stranded motorist ahwile back and two other Columbus cops were shot south of here last week. I dont give a rats ass how that guy feels at the moment nor will I loose any sleep over having offended him. This will be my last post on the topic so let me finish with this. I work with some pretty amazing people (some great outdoorsman a few of them) but as in any profession you will always have one or two knuckleheads. I wouldnt dream of quittng my job because when it comes down to it I'm just not a normal guy and I enjoy the fun and exciting times, which dont outnumber the bad but certainly make up for them. I obviously cant write well or spell either.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

Hell Mary to all the good Law Enforcemen officers. I;m sure you deal with many scumb bags, and as you stated, a guy ( Shaggy) walking towards me with his hand in his pocket and does not adhear to my request, one would assume he wad a gun, etc. Thats when force is necessary. That is why I carry a weapon for my protection, if I were straded on the road or in a parking lot.To me my CC Permits allows me to protect my self and family, as a oficer may not be there in time to save us. With My CC I kinda even the playing field. Many hair-brained people on the road, but when you walk up to a car, home, etc try to be Civil until you learn what is taking place. All stopped vehicles are not average citizens, who may have broken the speed limit or some other motor vehicle infraction. Just be fair with all until you learn different. If force is necessary, use it. If loud mouth A--H--- gives you lip. Take his A-- to jail or either bust his mouth. Just be fair, respect our rights as well as your on. Good luck, and live and let live.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

Within the past l5 years I have traveled cross country in vehicles, plus all the New England states. I stay within the posted limit. So far I;ve been to the Rocky Mtn States hunting l0 times, driving a rental car. I've not be stopped once and there is always firearms in my vehicles. As a rule thoe rental cars have out of stae tags on them. Many good cops out there who lay theri life on the line daily and I;m thankful for their services. What eally pisses me of is the officer who hides behind a tree, billboard, etc. and wais for teh guy driving over the posted limit. To me that is a set up. (Like Baiting game). I;m fully aware of the drug problem today and the many drives stoned on drugs. I got a CC permit long after they weer available. I;ve carried a firearm in my vehicles on ocket for 50 yrs. Not to create trouble,but fr protection. I have a horror of being broke down at night , or day and a car load of stoned idiots see easy pickings from a stranded motorist. I Keep a firearm in my pocket for just sch occasions. Thank god, I;ve not needed the firearm so far. But being disabled/handicaped, I;m good pickings for the undersireables taking advantage of a cripple. With my pocket gun, I feel safer and can defend myself in time to avoid a disaster. Now, with gas at 4 bucks a gallon, many gas thives are steeling gasoline from your vehicles in your drive way. 5 miles away last week-in,a construction on a 4 lane highway, had left several trucks parked ovefr night in the midde of the 4 lane, some body stole 385 gallons of Disel Fuel from allthe trucks. NOW, that took some time to drain all that fuel out, wher was the law? That situation will become worse as gas is a high price item now. I's like robbing a gas station or even a Bank. When times become tough as they are now, will be many more robberies and thefts. So,we all need to be more observant of what is going on. If looks suspecious, check it out or call the law.I'm sure many cops deal with the scum of the earth and force is necessary, so be forceful if necessary, but also it cost nothing to be a gentleman till you find out otherwise. My hat goes off to the dedicated officer, as in any profession, a few smart Asses were Badges and carry a 40 or 9mm. Good luck and alert. I consider most cops as i do our troops in Iraq,dealing with god know what daily. @ of my god friends were shot and killed a few years back by 4 Afro-Americans who had stolen a car and robbed a store. THe offices stopped them and were killed as they approached the stolen car. This is the kicker, all 4 got l0-15 yrs for 2nd deg Manslaughter?????, were out in less than 5 yrs by a smart Assed Attorney and a Crooked Judge.Now, that burns me up.A pity, the 2 cop friends of mine should have blown them away , but never had the opotunity, as shotguns with 00 Bucks killed them instantly. Now, the cops knew I think , that it was a stolen car,and should have been more alert,this was about ll pm, and they never knew what hit them. So,again i feel my cc gun is my defence if broken down are stopped for Etc. We all need to be more alert especially at night if broken down.Within the past few months with gas sky high, I have seen more cars sitting by the roadside out of gas.

Jim in Mo.

RMH,
It is getting to be bad news out there. As they say, CYA!

Jim of M0. Ifthis falls elections goes as it appears headed, thing going to get even worse. They gonna think it is their pay-back time and things will get out of hand. If we don't get a CC permit, we asking for even more problems. I nevr thought I was any better than the next guy and visa versa. My CC is for my protection only, I don;t want me and my family taken advantage of the more scum bags that will pile out of the wood-work. We will need to protect ourselves as best we can. We, wife adn I travel a lot and once we get to out destination I usually rent a car and drive to my destinations I want to see or hunt. Being a NR in another state,many locals see us as easy pickings and will try to take advantage of the situation. My CC is allways in my pocket or on seat beside me. And yes, best you know the carry laws in the states you travel. I always have my gun under my pillow in a motel room, or in in my M-home its close by. For some un-godly reason, so may Resident citizens think us NR are infringing on their OWN property. Many flea bag outfittes post BLM land as their property, and I was run off once, but not again will I be. I get maps of my hunting area and know wher i;m hunting, or I hire or hunt with locals who know BLM from private property. I know the law enforcement in large cities have a tough job ( not a positios I would want) and deal with the worst kind of lowm life scum. I think with all the $$$ we pay in taxes and fees, it should be mandatory that there is always 2 officers in each vehicles. With the equiptment those Cruisers carry, they should know a lot about whom they stop. No, I do not believe my Drivers licenses or my car tags have my CC permit listed. If I were a cop, thank god I'm not, I would require all occupans of a vehicle I stop to get out of the car befoer i approach them. Also, think the worse and hope for the best. But again, ack like i am a OK guy till you learn different. I will contine to carry my CC gun and be alert of my suroungings, especially at stoplights. Keep that door locked. As stated at the begining, things gonna gt worse, not better. Gasoline is a high dollar product now, and will become the top rated item to steal. Be carefl and stay alert. Time will come soon, that fewer vehicles will be on the road ad never, never stop to assist. Call 911 if you have doubts.Now you hunters, shoot um staight and often. In the immediately future, many of us will be forced to hunt at home as the cost of travel will be prohibited.Wher I live I hunt my own property, and already faced with l000 times more trespassers, that I will stop. I hunt the Rocky Mtns as often as i;m able to draw and always know where I;m hunting and who's property I'm on.I try to get a local guide if posible. But many areas I hunt, non available, other than the local saloon???? no thanks. Good luck, watch your back-side after Nov.Carry your handgun concealed, as no pint in allowing the un-desirables know you have back up if he takes you rifle.Just some un -invited advice, but it could save your life.PS; I;m interested in a Mule dear hunt in MT,C0 or WY with a disabled club.If you aware of such, please advise me. Many thanks. The old Southern Gunslinger, who can shoot.Not picking on you Dennis, just my opinion of my area.Just show respect when you can, but save your ASS, as times gonna get much worse than now.

Jim in Mo.

RMH,
You are correct. Many landowners realize 'out of staters' don't know where they are and they
BS 'em and try to chase them off public ground saying its theirs. I hate public ground because of the idiots that hunt there and shoot at sound, but if I do, I have a map and know my rights.

Jim: Thanks for the reply. I was glad to hear that you experience as I did with OUTFITTERS or etc. I had a rough time tht year, as was with handicappedguy and neither of us knew exact area we were to be in per instructions given us. Was a lousy hunt for a few days. But in the end, we did find 20K acres to hunt and filled our tag. Knowing what can and does happen now, I will not be exposed to that treatment again , ever. Shoot often and straight. Gunslinger




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