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Bases and Rings, Part Two

Part of the trouble with our older scope mounting systems is that they were designed way back when scope reticles were not permanently centered. If you cranked the crosshairs up and right, they traveled up into the upper right quadrant of your field of view and there they sat. So rather than adjusting the crosshairs, shooters would center them and then adjust the scope itself up, down, right or left. This was an immense pain in the ass, and once you had a scope mounted, you didn't touch it.

Now we don't have to do this, unless the barrel is out of line with the receiver, and then you will probably need a mounting system with some of the old left/right to it.

The strongest mount around is made by David Miller, the great Tucson rifle builder. He builds each one to fit a particular rifle, and they are constructed so that the scope is almost entirely encased by the steel rings and bases.

The lightest/simplest rings and bases are made by Talley, and were designed by Melvin Forbes of New Ultra light arms. The base and lower half of each ring is one piece of aircraft aluminum. They weigh less than a hummingbird's spleen, but are extremely strong.

The strongest bases and rings, aside from David Miller's, are the standard Talleys. They are steel, and have a virtual death grip on the fine-gun biz. Every expensive rifle you see employs them. However, getting them mounted can cause you to say many a bad word, and the directions don't help much.

The worst rings and bases are any of the see-unders. Structurally they are weak and they force you to lift your head off the stock to see through the scope and thereby violate one of the principles of sound rifle shooting. And try to get a gun with these abominations on board into a saddle scabbard.

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Del in KS

Ishawooa,

That was a good story. It's amazing how inept some people are about their equipment. Get with me later and maybe I can fix u up with some of my new prototype salt bullets to try on elk.

DAVE, isn't that other dude's name Rotumbo? Or was it Mumbo? Met him once at the NRA convention in KCMO a few yr ago. Nice guy that Rambo. Anyhow Dave you are out. I callin' him first thing tommorow. Dang, just about out of Black Jack.

Del in KS

Had me one of those 264's oncet. Bullets not heavy enough. They bounce off the tough skin on a big KS WT buck.

Old Bull

Del in KS

Someone else is already close. Flavored shot for birds. Cajun, Tequila Lime, Black Jack.....


Old Bull

True story.....
A few years back, I worked in a now defunct custom shop in Michigan. A customer brought in a rifle for a range evaluation. See through mounts with a plain barrel....
I wanted in the worst way to ask if he wanted a shotgun bead mounted out front.
I kept it under control and set him up right with a solid, low mounted set Leupold PRW's and bases. They are great rings. Steel construction, but not overly built or heavy. I like the design as the scope does not tend to crawl out of vertical/horizontal as the top ring is torqued down.

ishawooa

Del in KS: Zumbo lives a few miles from me so if you need help on cutting out Pretzal and salting Zumbo let me know, perhaps I can assist. Looks like Dave is either going to have to crap or get off the pot. Wouldn't you think that a man of his intellect would jump at the chance for fame and fortune on this salted bullet thing? Even if it was tried years ago with .264s I bet they used inferior bullets. I was thinking of moving on up to say a .338-.378 so more salt could be packed into the projectile. Maybe a .416-50 BMG would be better or a 20 mm or ...

Dr. Ralph

Dave's too busy jerking his trigger to worry about salted bullets, although I think they would be a good idea because the salt would help control infection caused by wounding animals shot at from 500+ yards.

Herr Pretzal I saw your comment about knowing down to the nanosecond when your weapon goes off but how do you accomplish this feat without slowly squeezing? I shoot differently at the bench then I do killing deer. Deer are a relatively large target especially at the ranges common to Tennessee so you can get away with yanking off fast shots at moving targets where an inch or three don't matter, but I just don't see shooting sub MOA fast. Of course I know a man who can out shoot me who shoots military arms with very long trigger pulls very fast. I asked him how and he said he learned in Nam and you tend to shoot much faster when someone is shooting back...

Del in KS

Wow, got up this morning head felt awful. Went Turkey hunting, got lucky. It was one of those days when the birds like what I was sellin'. Shot not one but two mature Gobblers about 30 min apart. Dang, the camera is broken so no pics. Will buy a new one as soon as the money starts rollin' in from my salted bullets. What's that you say? Oh 22 and 20 pounds, spurs 1" on one and 7/8" on the other. By far not my best bird, but no 59 and 60 are now in the fridge chillin'. Yeah, it's legal to shoot 2 in same day in KS.

Clay Cooper

Del in KS
I think your scaring David, Del? David isn’t one of those “SITNCC” shooters, Shootem In The Next County Club Members like us!!
264 Win Mag with a salt base? I think you need to add a little dry ice to it also, what do you think??
Remember old Major Ben McIntyre? That rascal! Between him and Randy Pitney in charge of the shooting program at the University, “Hey Clay, I need a favor!” I didn’t complain, in fact I enjoyed it! Watching those first timers and those never won a match before excel! At the Ft. Wainwright matches, a couple of us deliberately shot an idiot match and the lowest score wins. All shots cannot break a scoring ring. If you breakout of a scoring ring, it counts as 10 points rather than a miss. Everyone else thought we had a bad day. The reason we had an idiot match, is because we had no competition and everyone would lose interest.

Clay Cooper

ishawooa

Check out the 416 Barrett, it out performs the 50 BMG in accuracy and long range accuracy with a smaller bullet and case.

Peter

Whats up with the salt bullets again? I took a bunch of school-books out today. I was amazed what a 20 ga . slug willl do to a book.:-) I wont be using those for school anymore:-)

Hey yall I know this is totally off the subject....but I can legally buy my own dip and ammo and rifles and shotguns as of Sunday. How about a Happy Birthday from everyone?

Peter

Hey del
I got another Idea. How about Zesty Italian Seasoning with that salt. Than way some of the meat can start marinating. And instead of on the back of the bullet......how about inside the bullit. IT WILL BE BURSTING WITH FLAVOR!!! LOL. okay ill stop.

Peter

Just so yall know ...ill be changin my "posted by" name when I move to Florida. Something like FloridaMech. Ill be goin to school for automotive techonology(I live in Michigan) then ill probably just stay(due the fact I hate shoveling snow....and there really cute girls down there.. yall aprove the name? I mean your practically family. lol

Dr. Ralph

...and to think California's restrictive gun laws made it all possible. Ronnie Barrett reacted to the fifty caliber ban with something better! I'm proud to say I was in Murfreesboro, Tennessee today Mr. Barrett's headquarters and hometown.

ishawooa

Clay you are so right. After watching a TV program on History Channel or Discovery or something about the .416 Barrett, we did a little reading about it. This was a couple months ago. Today I am of the opinion that if Del had a Barrett he could load in enough salt to sustain his turkeys, a couple deer, and maybe an elk if he just waited long enough for them to all line up for the shot. Sure hope the price of salt does not go up like gasoline and diesel if we all start using it.

Del in KS

Peter,

I grew up in Florida and all my siblings still live there. Trust me there are better places to live. It's very hard to find a good place to hunt. When you do the deer and Turkeys are small and hard to get. There are plenty of razorback hogs, Armadillos and skunks. The state bird is the mosquito. Summers are like living in a sauna. The best thing is the lovely beach babes and fishing. If you pass thru Eustis (lake CO) stop in at the Oyster Trough. Best oysters on half shell you ever had and beer colder than Hillary's heart.

Oh an that idear 'bout mariaonatin sound gud but don't expect a cut.

BTW Dave I don't need no help from you no how. Las' night I meeted a Prince from Nigeria on line. We worked out a deal and he backing me on th salt bullets invention. Had to clean out mah savings and sell couple guns to get $ to help him get out of Nigeria. Soon as he get straight he sending me $6 million. Plan to pik me out a new Purdey when the check get here. Put that in yer pip an smok it.HA HA

PS Thansk fer th sugestons everone but don't expct a cut. Gota pay lawyers an other thangs.

Del in KS

Peter,

Almos forgot. Don't go swimmin in th lakes and rivers. Watch out for eastern Diamondbacks, Cottonmouths and Coral snakes. A Coral got my Bros. German sheperd on nose. He died quickly. Vet could not save him.

Clay Cooper

Well BY'GOLLY PETER
HAPPY BIRTHDAY YOUNG MAN!

Clay Cooper

Hey PETER!
How about Zesty Italian Seasoning with that salt?
GOOD IDEA SIR!
DON”T EVER STOP!!!
I do believe that Ol’David Petzal, has some competition coming, named PETER!!

Thomas

Peter,
What part of Michigan you from?
Yooperjack is from the U.P. and I am from the Thumb. I think that there is one or two more of us on here but I am not sure.

Tom the Troll

Thomas

Del in KS,
Here is a suggestion for your Salted Bullets. Buy a bag of water softener pellets and shape them to the proper size. Around here they are $7.00 for a 50# bag. All you need to do not is find a way to slip a copper jacket over top the solid salt core.

Tom the Troll

crm3006

Del in KS-
No more salted bullets for me. Long time ago, when Ol' Slickgrease was just a colt, I shot a lobo wolf sneaking up on a twenty point buck. Then I shot the buck. Since they were in the next county, I saddled up Ol' Slick, and rode on over. Riding through the Mohave Forest on the way, I ran into P. Bunyan and had to help him log off a couple of sections, but was all right, I'd used salted bullets. Finally got the logging done, rode up on the wolf first, and Ol'Slickgrease, being a colt at the time, pulled a comeapart. Bucked plumb over the Rockies, and I had to snatch up an eight or nine foot rattlesnake to give him a good whuppin' before I could ride up on that lobo. Got the wolf skinned, he was salted down pretty good, then rode up to my twenty point buck. Well, the salt had brought in every porkypine in the country, and they ate all the antlers off of my twenty point buck, ate him down to a spike. Figured I would skin him out and save the meat for winter anyway, but I had oversalted the bullet, and that deer meat was so salty I messed up a good lake in Utah trying to get it fit to eat! Then
when I finally got back home with that meat, that old twenty point buck was so tough, after I cooked the first mess of backstrap, I couldn't drive a raiload spike in his gravy. Nosirree, no more salted bullets for me!!

Dr. Ralph

Nice 3006...

Scott in Ohio

Advice requested.

Just mounted a Simmons Prodiamond scope with a B-square saddle mount onto my Rem 11-87 for turkeys. Problem is my cheek is not tight on the stock anymore since I have to lift my head a bit to see through scope. Anyone out there have a recommendation on a good product to add height to my stock?

Thanks in advance for your ideas.

Ed J

Scott in Ohio

Go to Brownells
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=15487&title=SCOPE%20EZE.
Its a scope pad for exactly what you did.

Ed J

Del in KS

Don't use salt peter or you might get some "low performace"




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