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You Always Hurt the Gun You Love

In 1977, I was in a hunting camp in Montana where one of the attendees was a fellow who did nothing but shade-tree gunsmith the whole time he was there. Never hunted; just diddled with the rifle of anyone who wanted his rifle diddled with. Someone gave him a rifle to have the barrel free-floated and he hogged out enough wood to start a good-sized fire. To many people, guns are like cars before cars were operated by 18 computers; the urge to tinker is irresistible.

Sometimes it works. A crummy trigger can't be abided. A barrel that bears on one side of the channel has to be re-bedded. A thin, hard recoil pad should be replaced with something that does not give you hematomas. But aside from that, most tinkering is futile and a waste of money.

Competitive shotgunners seem to tinker more than anyone else. Trap guns with adjustable combs and recoil pads are particularly susceptible. Dropped a bird at handicap? Why, just to crank that comb up a tad and all will be well. I've been to sporting clays shoots where you couldn't hear for the racket created by electric choke-tube wrenches. Back in the 70s there was a very famous trapshooter who was known to wedge his shotgun barrel under the bumper of his care and bend the barrel just a tad to make it shoot a smidgen higher.

Hey, it's a hobby and it's mostly for fun, so why not meddle? Just don't think it's going to help.


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Jim in Mo.

Rocky Mtn Hunter,
I like gun scrubber but I will never again use it around plastic, it'll eat it up! I'm wondering if it would do the same to synthetic stocks?


Jim & Rocky Mtn:
I never used Gunscrubber on synthetic stocked rifles due to the warnings and my assumption that it might damage the stocks. Now there is a new version which is labeled safe for synthetics. I bought a can but cannot report on its worth as when I removed the top the little push button was missing. I intend to exchange it at Walmart soon and give it a try. So you probably should not use the original on synthetics. I hope the newer version is as good as the first one insofar as ease of cleaning a really nasty gun.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

So far no problems, as I only got one Syn stocked B/P gun. So cannot say it is ok or not. But used the Gun Scrubber many yrs on Walnut/Maple and no problem.I always wipe down with Rem oil when flush out the grim in the action. It cleans places you cannot get to with a brush/cloth, etc. Works great on a 742 Auto. HAve use it for so many yrs forgot how many. I like it better than Hopps, but again, to each his own. I recall for yrs we all used WD-40, then saw the build up on the gun, so stopped. It will gum up a action, so I stopped it. I also recall about 55 yrs ago using 3-in-l oil,after cleaning with Alcohol. Man, how times have changed. Not for the better in many cases. But when i startd hunting was with a l6 ga single shot shotgun. No deer around then, just small game. My first BIG GAME gun was a Winch 94(l952) in 30-30. Thats a long time, 56 yrs ago. You talking about someone who at that time thought I was a PH from Africa. Worked fine till I found a 740 Rem Auto, like a Idiot sold the 94. But bought a new 336 in 30-30 a few yrs back. Will be here when I;m gone, its a great Walk and stop woods gun even today with open sights. My Daughter 50 yrs old uses a l6 l/2" 336 today and kills her limit yearly. May get my wife one as she always goes hunting with me wherever I go to take care of my health problems. 99% of time, when she goes I kill a animal, as she's the best Bird dog ever seen, can spot game i never see. Ok. TAke care guys. Good Hunting. Shoot -um-straight and often. Burn some powder,as when need arises you can kill him.A extrs $100.00 in ammo here may save the day on a $5-7K dollar hunt out west.It sure ain't cheap to go to the Rockies now.

WA Mtnhunter

John R

I hunt open country most of the time, so there is usually adequate time to chamber a round after game is spotted. If I am somewhat stationary for a while, sort of like on stand, I will ease a round into the chamber with safety on. With proper muzzle control, I see no problem with slowly slipping through the timber with a round chambered.

But on steep, rocky ground or in the dark hiking in, I prefer to keep that round out of the chamber. While in the Army, I never thought twice about being locked and loaded!

Rocky Mtn Hunter

The only answer to teh above questions and answers is to: USE COMMON Sense when handling fiearms, weather hunting, pratacing, zeroing, just looking. Have you ever noticed at the quality gun shops you ask to see a rifle, the guy behind teh counter, will reach and get teh gun and if a bolt will always open the bolt and pull backward and dble check teh chamber. Most accidents that happen with firearms is plain stupid on the handlers part. A gun will kill or damage what-ever the bullet strkes. I have a farm that is posted and no access but one. For some un-godly reason a groupe from 50 miles away think it's theirs. A few shots over the tree tops changes their mind. Yesteday my wife was walking over some of this farm and was beside herself when she returned. She found 8 (yes eight) bucks that only the Antlers been sawed off. Not one once of meat taken.Earlier in teh season I found 4 deer in one pile, 3 bucks and only the back strap on one side of the doe taken. Deer were dumped into a cilvert at the road. This year I plan to take a different approach dealing with these guys. Wonder how many trips to buy 4 new ties will it take to get their attention or that they not welcome. I spend a lot of $$$ and time to plant food plots on this property, about 10 aces in grass, etc. and it's not for the general public to use.So if you hear of a guy in jail this fall for protecting his property you will understand who it is. When I hunt the Rockies, I pay a outfitter r a access fee to hunt, no difference here to me. Have a good day/nite and shoot-um-staight and often. The above is another reason why I carry a Weapon in my pants pocket all the time.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

I often wonder how I ever got so interested in firearms and hunting. i do so when I was l0 yrs old. No one else i my family hunted or evrn owned a gun that I;m aware of. If my Dad did i don;t know wher it went. I taught my Son to hunt and shoot at age l0. When he turned l2 I bought him his first gun, a 410. The the folowing fall, I bought him a 30-30. We had no deer here period, ao had to drive about 200 miles to hunt them. Since that hunt in the 60's he and I have hunted most days season was in when we started gettig deer here at home. this past fall was first time in 40+ yrs we both killed a deer the same day, and we both killed nice bucks within l5 minutes of each other. What a Thrill that was.Came home with 2 Bucks, and families made many pictures to go to many diffeerent magazines for publication of my story and photos of our kills.So wher I/we got this gun/hunting trait is beyond me, but glad we did, as we have spent many hours hunting together. Not many parents able or even care to do that now. In my area, I can xcount on my fingers the # of true hunters or gun nuts. Neve have enough fiearms, as they continue to come out with new ones each year.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

Jim in M0: I was in a gun shop yesterday and they do make 2 different Birchwod Casey Gun scrubbers.One is for general purpose and one is MARKED FOR SYN stocked firerms. So you were l00% crrect.So spent another 7 bucks to be able to clean this MArlin XL7 and my CVA B.P gun. Thanks for the tip. This Blog is like a open book,will learn a lot if just read what you guys say. The Old Gun Slinger

Del in KS

Old GS,

If you mix 1/3 hydrogen Peroxide with 1/3 denatured alcohol and 1/3 Murphy oil soap it makes a great and cheap solvent. Wet a patch with this stuff and BP fouling melts like a snowflake on a hot stove. No harm to gun finish either. I use it on my in-lines and custom flintlock longrifle. Tried lots of store bought stuff. Nothing worked as good as this. I got the recipe from a article in Muzzleloader magazine years ago. Just make sure you store it in a dark bottle so the peroxide doesn't separate.

Jim in Mo

Thomas, Bubba and other Ruger MkII
Found this takedown site, guy makes it look easier than I thought even though he uses a MkIII


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