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March 19, 2008

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Our Supreme Moment

This week the Supreme decides whether we can have guns or not. For the first time since 1934, the Highest Court is going to rule on whether Article II of the Bill of Rights allows individuals to keep and bear arms, or whether only well-regulated militias can keep and bear them, or whether only Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) can keep and bear them.

The case itself is a challenge to Washington D.C.'s draconian gun control law, which can best be described as a raging failure. Congresspersons, high-level government functionaries, Supreme Court Justices, and ranking media figures do not get held up or murdered an awful lot. Ordinary people in D.C., however, have good reason to fear.

The D.C. law is being challenged as unconstitutional. If the Supremes find it so, we are told, we can all rush out and buy MP-5s. If they find for the District of Columbia, we are warned that assorted jackbooted thugs will immediately begin kicking in doors, frightening old people into heart attacks, stomping on kittens and puppies, and taking every gun they can lay their hands on, legal or not.

Except, that we are talking about THE LAW here, and nothing about THE LAW is ever clear, simple, and unambiguous. However it finds, the Supreme Court will then have to delineate some kind of guidelines on how far the individual's right extends, and on how far the government may go in enforcing controls on guns. This is where the real nut-cutting will take place.

If our side wins (whatever a "win" is), that does not mean we can assume that the long nightmare is over. Sarah Brady, et al, will never quit and never go away.

But if the DC law prevails, I would not rush out in the dark of night to bury my firearms. The Feds have equipment that can overfly a chunk of real estate and find a hairpin buried 50 feet deep. Or so I am told.

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Thomas

I agree that not all police and military would be honest. I know a few police officers that feel as we do. That a firearm is needed to protect one's self and property. He said he would walk up to the house say yup that serial number is on the list Check it off as if he got it and tell the home owner to file it off. I live in a rural area and it would take the Local State Police or Sheriff 15 to 20 minutes to get here if they were already on their way. Some times you just need the reassurance that you have a little help when help is on the way.

Thomas

eyeball

Clay:

Though I did not work as a dispatcher, I have been dispatched often enough. Considering how many false alarms I responded to, my experience is that dispatchers give callers the benefit of the doubt, even when there's a lot of doubt. Mistakes happen, sure, but that's because we're human.

And the point of my comment was to say that the reason no govt. agency will claim responsibility for your safety is that it would make them vulnerable to lawsuits if, God forbid, something criminal happened to you in their jurisdiction. It is legalese intended to protect the organization. My personal observation is that the cop, deputy sheriff, firefighter, etc. on the street will put his life on the line to save yours.

And yes, I keep a loaded gun in the house, because it has also been my experience that every cop, firefighter, etc. has a big piece of chalk in his vehicle. He carries the chalk so that he can draw an outline around the people he wasn't in time to save. We are on the same team, Clay, whether you know it or not.

Yohan

Yaw Yaw,.. well fellas comerece is a powerful thing and quieta few peole make quite a bit of money on arms and ammunition,.. not to mention bombs and rockets.
plain and tanks,..yada yada yada.

We may in the next 20 years need to accert our selves in a more overt mannor ,..however.

But that means fighting fire with fire ,. which also means not just NRA actig as our primary represebntation
But baught and paid for politicoes ,. like Scooter Dick and Don,and the othr ones behind the bloody curtian...

As to that thar pin finder Herr Petzal seems to thing the feds have ,..
Would someone please tell me why they aint pointed that thang at Oh-samma's A$$ yet ?
Or at least at his donkey and a couple of his wives.
Im bettin "Mr Kill all Americans" now resides in Dubuy (sp) on 80th floor over looking the sea into which he pounds golf balls 4 days a week.

Yup my take is we keep the guns but we pay one giant butt load more for gas and wheat corn and soybeas and ammunitiona too... unless we the people change the program.
anyone cheked the markets lately.

We are presently in a war waged agianst us,..by the Bushes of the world. Its an economic war foks and if we dont get it turned around pretty damn shortly we will be too week as a peole to do one damn thing about it.

If memeory serves from reading history At a Ball Catherine the Grerat was informed do to ongoing war and expenditure her subjects had no bread for thier tables.
She then said ,Let them eat cake.

When Bush was asked not long ago if he was aware of the retail price of gasoline ,..
He did NOT KNOW,..can you F^^&&g believe that????

When Ann Curry asked him what his thoughts were as to why the economy was struggleing ,. his reply was
Well ,. they built to many houses ,.. and now they caaant sell em Ann,..
Not one lousy word about core inflation triggered by oil pirices.

We got bigger fish to fry fellas ,.. guns wont be an issue there is still too much money in it.
However whom ever stated r Mrs Brady will not go away is unconditionally correct,..
so vigilance to the extent of preservation is prudent.
my 2 cents


eyeball

Clay:

Though I did not work as a dispatcher, I have been dispatched often enough. Considering how many false alarms I responded to, my experience is that dispatchers give callers the benefit of the doubt, even when there's a lot of doubt. Mistakes happen, sure, but that's because we're human.

And the point of my comment was to say that the reason no govt. agency will claim responsibility for your safety is that it would make them vulnerable to lawsuits if, God forbid, something criminal happened to you in their jurisdiction. It is legalese intended to protect the organization. My personal observation is that the cop, deputy sheriff, firefighter, etc. on the street will put his life on the line to save yours.

And yes, I keep a loaded gun in the house, because it has also been my experience that every cop, firefighter, etc. has a big piece of chalk in his vehicle. He carries the chalk so that he can draw an outline around the people he wasn't in time to save. We are on the same team, Clay, whether you know it or not.

matt

heres a good web sight lots of resorces.

www.fortliberty.org

Drew

Too bad for the military that WMDs are bigger than a hairpin...

Peter

To Drew,
LOL LOL LOL

Peter

This country is struggling because of (1) National Debt. (2) alot of people are in alot of debt. this creates very fragile economy when a country has an "in debt people)
(3) "Free Trade" with China vs. strengthening and protecting our own industries.
(4) We are starting to become a Consumer Economy vs an Industrial and Producing Economy. This means we will start to become and have already started to become dependent on other countries for vital supplies. Especially on Countries like China.

Peter

Now .. just so im no misunderstood. Thank God I live in the USA. THIS IS THE BEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. We are still the #1 industrial powerhouse and the #1 economic power on earth. The country that has literally held this world together at times from going to pot and pulled many countries "bacon out of the fire. Industrial Production have actually gone up in this country as a whole..at least as of 2006 according to Popular Mechanics. But still, we need to not be complacent and "keep our wits about us" as Sherlock Holmes would say.

Lester in FL

I believe the number 1 problem in America is GREED the allmity dollar rules.As far as the housing market goes, it's the Banks that gave money to people that it should not have. When I bought my first house the rule was that the morgage payment could not be over one weeks pay. that gave you enough to cover most other needs. To give a lone at no money down and an ajustably rate is nuts.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

Let us not forget the power of the Supreme Court. Remember the one vote in l992 5-4 who elected our present President. Never for a minute do I trust any court we have. When all is said and done it boils down to $$$$$. Our court symstems have to great authority now, it;s about time they had to follow the laws as written many years ago as us regular citizens must follow. AS for firearms, we as hunters bet keep our mouths shut about what guns if any we own. As of this minute I sold my lst gun today. Now I got German Shepard Dog, a Sling shot and a baseball bat to protect my family, plus a pocket klnife or two. It;s election year and anything can/will happen. Money changes hands like popcorn popping in the popper, so who ever has the largest popper wins. When the country is overtaken by Animals, people killed on the streets, golf courses, back yards, hiking trails, maybe then someone with common sense will step forward and eliminate the Supreme Court. It has too much power now. Leave the local law enforcement to protect us. Not some jack-leg idiot given a job in DC to epay his work to get him elected.

DAVE

IF WE DON'T LIKE THE LAWS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE IN CONGRESSMEN AND PRESIDENTS THAT AGREE WITH US. WRONG, LOOK AT OUR CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT. I WOULD NOT WANT ANY OF THESE PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN 500 MILES OF ME. WHAT CHOICE DO WE REALLY HAVE? MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, POWER, POWER, AND MORE POWER IS THE ONLY THING ON THEIR MIND. SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE US AN ANSWER.
HOW CAN A REPRESENTIVE WITH LESS THAN ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT OF THE VOTE HAVE SO MUCH POWER? DO I NEED TO SAY WHO SHE IS? HOW DO THEY FLY ALL OVER THE WORLD (WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS) AT OUR EXPENSE
WHEN THEY ONLY REPRESENT JUST A FEW PEOPLE BACK HOME? THEY GET ALL THIS POWER BY VOTING IT TO THEMSELVES. HOW ABOUT THE SALARY AND STAFF? MILLIONS AND MILLIONS ARE SPENT ON JUST STAFF. THIS IS TO GET RE-ELECTED. HOW ABOUT THEIR RETIREMENT PLAN? IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND. WE NEED A NEW CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND BIG FLUSHING SOUND IN WASHINGTON. PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICA AND CLEAN OUT WASHINGTON AND LET THEM KNOW WHO IS RUNNING THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

Bubba

No matter how hard you try Dave, you are never going to make all the rules in "your" favor. You've got to understand that though you may "think" you know "all" the answers, some laws "don't need" changing! They are just fine.
What you MUST do is try and visualize whether a law is fair to the greater population or to the greater good!

Bubba

Jim in Mo.

Bubba, I agree with the intent of your post but I fear that when a politicion speaks for the good of the 'greater population' he/she does not hear from us, the people. Only the lobbyist's whispering in their ears and slipping C notes in their pockets.

Chev Jim

If the economy gets much worse, it won't matter if the Supreme Court upholds the Second Amendment . . . people will be selling their guns to buy food and gasoline. Yes, there is indeed more than one way to disarm a people! We may be the number one economic power today, but I see signs of decline all around. We're outsourcing and downsizing all the time, and you can see that--finally--all of these actions are taking their toll. China will be the number one economic and military powerhouse within a decade--if for no other reason that we keep going to Wal-Mart, and keep buying Chinese-made goods, and thereby keep fueling the Chinese war machine.

YooperJack

DAVE
If your hellbent on starting a new political party, I think it should appeal to gun-hating types. They're in desparate need of a party that reflects the motto "people don't kill people, guns kill people". This was reflected in the City's testimony to SCOTUS, but has never been flatly stated in the Democrat Platform.

Besides, any conservative third party will only guarantee the election of hte Democrat candidate next fall.

Also, a President from a third party would probably have a family and certainly would have staff and aides.

I think back to an old song by The Who; "Meet the new boss; Same as the old boss"

YooperJack

Jim in Mo.

YooperJack,
I like the statement on the cartoon King of the Hill, 'Guns don't kill people the government does'.

DAVE

YOOP,
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF OF THE PRESIDENT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF OF OUR CONGRESSMEN. ALL OUR PROBLEMS ARE WITH THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE ELECTED AND MAYBE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. HOWEVER, THEY BEGIN TO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS GODS AND CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. THE FLUSHING SOUND SHOULD BE THE CONGRESS. BELEAVE ME THAT WHEN I SAY THAT WE ARE GOING THE WAY OR ROME(ROMAN EMPIRE OR YESTERYEAR).
WAKE UP AND CLEAN OUT WASHINGTON BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. EVEN IT IS THE SAME PARTY, IT WOULD BE NEW PEOPLE. YOU OR YOUR CONCERNS MEAN NOTHING TO OUR CONGRESSMEN. ONLY THE ONES WITH MONEY AND LOTS OF MONEY CAN GET THE EAR OF OUR CONGRESSMEN. NEW PARTY OR NOT, WE NEED TO VOTE THEM ALL OUT. IF YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY, YOU NEED TO VOTE IN ALL NEW PEOPLE. CAN IT REALLY BE ANY WORSE?

YooperJack

DAVE, Chev Jim:
I still believe that we live in the greatest country ever created. I also believe that this greatness stems from our Founding Documents; The Declaration of Independence, The U.S. Constitution and The Bill of Roghts. You're right when you say that there are problems, both domestic and international. But two aspects are ignored. The trade deficit will swing back because goods produced overseas will become more expensive as the dollar declines. Also, there are conditions in China right now that signal tremendous increases in their production costs. They have to compete in the global energy market. They have pollution problems that make our worst cities seem like uptopia to them.

I know that we face monumental problems, especially with energy production. I have a lot of faith in our socioeconomic system being able to solve those problems. They weren't created overnight, and they won't be solved overnight. But if our government and our economic system can't solve them, they probably can't be solved.

Also, while the washington Establishment appears very large, and in fact is large, if somehow totally eliminated, the savings on your taxes would amount to pennies. Dave, I know it seems like a lot of money, but think of all of the ways that Washington affects our lives. They control health, endangered species, defense, education, migratory waterfowl, gun control. This list could go on forever! What I'm trying to say is that some, or maybe all of those aides are necessary because no Senator or Congressman could possibly know how bills will affect the country. If left by themselves, either very few bills would ever pass, or a whole lot of bad bills would pass because congress didn't sufficiently research them prior to voting.
I know that there'sa better way but the solution far exceeds my small mind.
YooperJack
P.S. I've got a hair up my butt because I read something today that inferred a positive correlation between strict gun control laws and lower crime. If liberals ever get absolute control, you'll again be able to buy a new Edsel!

Peter

To Chev Jim,
I agree if we keep on the road we are we will be in serious trouble. But. AS far as Militarily ...China is years and years behind us. Their techonology is in the Dark ages compared to ours. The Air Force as so much stuff that we stole from them ...were running out of Warehouses to put it. I don't care if they got a billion plus army that if they supposeldy "kayed over could beat us. Lets see one of our submarines sitting out in the Pacific could pretty much destroy China. WITH JUST ONE ROCKET. No lie. Due to the fact that each Rocket as even tinier rockets in the warhead that can be programed to hit a specific spot. And each one of those little warheads within that is times more powerful than the bombs that we used to level Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

No doubt though China is becoming a miliary power. But now matter how many men they have.. it don't mean jack if they don't have the technology to back it up.

Unless some we elect a President who is Communistic enough to compromise national security and sell some more secrets to them.

Mike Diehl

"What you MUST do is try and visualize whether a law is fair to the greater population or to the greater good!"

Actually, I am not sure that the "greater good" is necessarily a good standard because it leaves so much room for waggling about what the "greater good" actually is.

In republican Rome, there was an expression often used in legislative debate and in jursiprudence that gets blithely dismissed by our governments and courts these days as being simply to cliched for use in learned company. Neveretheless, it's probably the very best and most concisely expressed standard ever articulated, and it should be our standard for assessing policy ideas, laws, rulings etc:

Cui bono.

Peter

What does Cui Bono mean..im no Italian?

Peter

"Im no Italian" wan't supposed to be apart of the question lol.

Clay Cooper

Cui bono http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono

("To whose benefit?", literally "[being] good for whom?") is a Latin adage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for a thing may not be who it appears at first to be. With respect to motive, a public works project which is purported to benefit the city may have been initiated rather to benefit a favored campaign contributor with a lucrative contract.

Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat,

Mark-1

Cui Bono=Good for Whom?


This blog is getting classy.
French, German, Latin, Greek....

...We'll skip the dumb Yupper Nor-eee-Jun. :-)




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