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October 17, 2007

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Meet The R-15

And what, pray tell, is an R-15? Why bless your universally legal 5-round magazine, it's a black rifle made by Remington, except that it's not finished in black, but finished Advantage Max-1 HD camo. This all came about because a few months back, Remington was purchased by Cerberus, a management company that also owns Bushmaster, which is a leading producer of black rifles that are black.


Taking advantage of Bushmaster's technology, Remington has come out with three R-15s: the Predator, which has a 22-inch fluted barrel, the Predator Carbine, with an 18-inch fluted barrel, and the Predator Carbine CS, with an 18-inch barrel and a telescoping stock. While the guns are marked as Remingtons made in Ilion, New York, and many of their parts are proprietary, they are all compatible with the neat goodies that can be hung on black rifles: triggers, grips, rails, you name it.

Right now they intended for varmint hunters, and so all three are chambered in .223 and .204, with the chance of the 6.8mm being added down the road. I had the chance to shoot a couple, and they worked flawlessly. The trigger, which is Remington's own design, is quite good, and only the very fussy will want to opt for an optional two-stage trigger.

The MSRP for all three is $1,145. Remington.com

Predator Rifle (click image to enlarge)
Rifle

Predator Carbine (click image to enlarge)
Carbine

Predator Carbine CS (click image to enlarge)
Carbinecs

(And a footnote: Popularity of the .223 seems to have gone into the stratosphere. The Remington ammo guys told me that production of .223 ammo has quadrupled over the past 4 years, and that of every three rounds of centerfire ammo they produce, one is a .223. And very little of that is going to the military. Someone is shooting all them black guns.)


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Elm Creek Smith

I think the R-15 will be just the ticket for prairie dogging, just like any other AR. I seriously doubt that an R-15 will be compared, quality-wise, with the cut-rate Remington alternatives to the 700 or Model 7 because it is a completely different market. I also think it's a safe bet that they will bring one out in 6.8mm SPC because Remington makes the 6.8mm ammo.

If they go with the AR-10 type platform, I predict .308 WIN, .260 REM, and maybe .338 Federal, serious game hunting rounds. I hope they do.

That said, I probably won't buy one since my interests lie elsewhere.

Clay Cooper

911 …---…
MAYDAY…. MAYDAY TO ALL SPORTSMEN!
Last night, a friend told me that Wal-Mart had computers with Windows XP and would be nice to have two spares for the business my Wife and I own. So I swooped over to Wal-Mart and they were sold out. So I went over to the Sporting goods section and their stood a Father with his 9 year old son looking at rifles. The young man was wide eyed with excitement just as if it was Christmas morning and the father had a very sad look on his face and sick to his stomach. Youth season for deer is Nov 3-4, there was no youth rifles in stock and if there was the father couldn’t afford one. That was sad enough for me until the father turned to the wide eyed boy and said, I’ m sorry son, looked the other way and just wanted to fall to his knees and cry. What has happened to us in the Sportsmen community??? I remember my father going all out to make sure I had what I needed and the training to go with it. He had the recourses at hand. He was a member of a Military Rod and Gun Club and Member of the Air Force Shooting Team that was able to get things at a reduced price and knew places like Jensens Gun Shop in Tucson Az to customize his 03-A3 for me. I’ve been really pissed off and just outright angry for years at the manufacturers. It wasn’t until last night realized just how much I am and why I am so pissed when that young man of 9 wanted so badly to go deer hunting. Last week I ordered a Ramline Cadet Youth stock for my brand new Remington 700 CDL 25-06 so my Grandson can go out on this coming youth hunt. I have the resources to do so thanks to my Father. When I was in the Air Force, I was blessed with a great Father and passed it on to volunteer to local Youth Hunter Safety and Boy Scout programs. At Dysart High School west of Phoenix Az 1995, I was asked to teach the ROTC rifle team. They had the worst equipment and they still finished second place in their Regional Championship and I was told by Army Sgt Charles Hydman in charge of the program they wouldn’t have done it without me. The truth of the matter is, it was a generational thing like saying it’s in the genetics. As my Father taught me as I passed onto them as you the Sportsman should do the same. Follow what I’m saying. What do we do? Every year there is less and less youths coming into the field to go hunting and fishing.
I hope and pray that Remington will read this and follow suit!

Gary

Clay, I had to laugh when I read your post about the Ruger .204 blowing all over the map with the slightest crosswind. I read that in a major gun publication a while back. It's obvious that you have never shot a .204 or you wouldn't make a statement like that. I will admit that the Ruger .204 is generally not thought of as a "hunting" round but it makes a fine varmint round and many a coyote have met their maker by way of a .204 coming their way. It has much better ballistics than the .223 and I have often shot ground squirrels at 400 yards with winds at 10 - 15 MPH. That's a bit more than a slight crosswind! Gary

Barney

Being a "black rifle", does this mean that civilian 223 is not acceptable as ammunition for the predator 223?

NMA

Hmmmm....nice rifle but I will stick to the ARs I have already.

The Zumbo apologists and Fudds have made their points well known in this blog.

Show me in the Constitution where it says "Right to Hunt".

That military rifles protected under the 2nd amendment were modified to suit your hunting tastes does NOT change the intent of the framers.

BTW - It's "Magazine" not "Clip"

Stevie-Ray

Pretty nice, though I still prefer my Colt. With all these major manufacturers stepping up to the AR plate, it may prove to be quite a dilemma to enact a ban on them. Time will tell.

Elm Creek Smith

NMA-

I, for one, never apologized for Zumbo anywhere. He screwed the pooch bigtime.

As for "Fudds," I used to keep my family fed with nature's bounty that fell before my .22 Remington single-shot and my 20 gauge Mossberg bolt gun. Yeah, I hunt. However, I understand about the Second Amendment and how it isn't about hunting. I spent more that 20 years in the Army defending our rights.

You're missing the point of the discussion - the new Remington R-15. You might want to look at it this way: If the "Fudds" try it and like it because it's a "cammie" Remington, we have more people who will raise Hell if someone goes after them.

Name-calling never helped.

ECS

David

What I admire about (most) of the posters here is that they GET IT. Despite our differences about what constitutes a "proper" firearm, we live in America where we have the ability to disagree in a cordial manner.

Lord knows, we have those in the halls of academia, government, and media who make a point of subjugating us to "the greater good" without our own picayune squabbling!

God Bless America,

David

Ryan

How can anyone say that these are ugly. Dawn thats a good looking rifle. And if some of these guys who think that these have no place in the hunting world must not have ever shot one. I currently have an almost stock Bushy that will hang with any Rem 700 at 250yds any day. The black rifle craze is well deserved and has only started.

Ryan

How can anyone say that these are ugly. Damn thats a good looking rifle. And if some of these guys who think that these have no place in the hunting world must not have ever shot one. I currently have an almost stock Bushy that will hang with any Rem 700 at 250yds any day. The black rifle craze is well deserved and has only started.

John Ryan

Ok guys, for the record, to be an assault weapon it must meet this criteria:

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

If it doesn't have these items, then it's not an assault weapon, it's just a weapon, no different than any other rifle out there; pull the trigger and it goes bang.

I use mine for varmit hunting. I like having the ability to have a quick follow up shot when I need it, which isn't very often at all. And I love it, wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. Mine holds 1/4 inch groups or better at 100 yds.

And no, I don't empty the magizine as fast as I can when I go to the range. You are correct, rapid is for one thing only, keeping the other guys head down as you move forward.

No, I take one shot at a time; I maximize the accurcy of my weapon. If I want to shoot something full auto, I've got friends with just the weapons to that.

At the same time, I realize that folks like this or that in weapons. Some like wood, some like pumps, some like leaver action, some like small bore and some like large bore.

The bottom line here, just 'cause you don't like it doesn't mean that someone else shouldn't have it or use it in a responsible manner.

And there in lies the problem, the illeagl use by punks and then reported by media "flatheads" who do not know the difference between their butt and a hole in the ground and the politicians who's only game is to get votes without knowing much more than what the reporter said.

Take for example the LA bank robbers, the ones with body armmor and full auto AK-47's.

Did the reporters say anything about the caliber of the weapons? Or that the 7.62's were FMJ's? No, they just used the term "assault weapons." Can you see where this is going?

Never the less, all debate aside; as we saw what happened with Zumbo, anything you say on these blogs can and will be picked up by the Fudds and anti's and then used aginst us gun owners.

So it doesn't matter what you like or dislike about any weapon or who made it; we must always present a united front against the antigunners.

If we don't speak as united front, then we may one day have our weapons taken from us. It's happened before in the last century several times and it's happening again.

Now if HB 1022 passes, then all bets are off as to what an assault weapon is or isn't.

This is where the fight is, and it's going to take everyone of us to win that battle. And if we don't win, then all you're going to be able to "argue" about is what you "used to have."

And by the way, I always use my real name when I post....I ain't scared.

John Ryan

Ok guys, for the record, to be an assault weapon it must meet this criteria:

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

If it doesn't have four or more of these items, then it's not an assault weapon, it's just a weapon, no different than any other rifle out there; pull the trigger and it goes bang.

I use mine for varmit hunting. I like having the ability to have a quick follow up shot when I need it, which isn't very often at all. And I love it, wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. Mine holds 1/4 inch groups or better at 100 yds.

And no, I don't empty the magizine as fast as I can when I go to the range. You are correct, rapid is for one thing only, keeping the other guys head down as you move forward.

No, I take one shot at a time; I maximize the accurcy of my weapon. If I want to shoot something full auto, I've got friends with just the weapons to that.

At the same time, I realize that folks like this or that in weapons. Some like wood, some like pumps, some like leaver action, some like small bore and some like large bore.

The bottom line here, just 'cause you don't like it doesn't mean that someone else shouldn't have it or use it in a responsible manner.

And there in lies the problem, the illeagl use by punks and then reported by media "flatheads" who do not know the difference between their butt and a hole in the ground and the politicians who's only game is to get votes without knowing much more than what the reporter said.

Take for example the LA bank robbers, the ones with body armmor and full auto AK-47's.

Did the reporters say anything about the caliber of the weapons? Or that the 7.62's were FMJ's? No, they just used the term "assault weapons." Can you see where this is going?

Never the less, all debate aside; as we saw what happened with Zumbo, anything you say on these blogs can and will be picked up by the Fudds and anti's and then used aginst us gun owners.

So it doesn't matter what you like or dislike about any weapon or who made it; we must always present a united front against the antigunners.

If we don't speak as united front, then we may one day have our weapons taken from us. It's happened before in the last century several times and it's happening again.

Now if HB 1022 passes, then all bets are off as to what an assault weapon is or isn't.

This is where the fight is, and it's going to take everyone of us to win that battle. And if we don't win, then all you're going to be able to "argue" about is what you "used to have."

And by the way, I always use my real name when I post....I ain't scared.

medicman

My issue with all the new ar's and the r-15 is simple. Were talking about a design that has been around for the past 40 plus years and not a whole lot of new technology has been put into it. Now they want in excess of $800 for the same thing that everyone else has for the same prices everyone else has. If bushmaster or armalite comes out with a five round mag then what. I would rather stick with bushmaster or dpms in a nato chamber offering that have been made for the past ten years and have all the bugs worked out then someones Idea to fall in with the rest of the flock and probably have two to three years of fine tuning to do and loose my $900 to a gun I'm frustrated with. Remember the old winchester model 100. probably the best semi-auto deer rifle made, it killed nearly one hundred people before the big firing pin recall. Not interested in a new problem child when there are so many others that have already proven themselves to make high quality products.

NYer. Don't like US freedom? Go make your own country! Punk.

MNA. Says "Show me in the Constitution where it says "Right to Hunt". Well
It also doesn’t say you have the right to eat or breathe so maybe you should sow your mouth closed and hold your breath for a day.
What constitutes a "proper" firearm? One that works!
I don’t own weapons, weapons are for perpetrators. I own firearms.

Oh, ok so I’m lying, my butter knife is my only weapon but if you try to take or ban it, I’m going to shoot you with my firearm.

Joe

sissies I use a .270,.30-06, and a.458lott for groundhogs. I never had one get away wounded

Joe

sissies I use a .270,.30-06, and a.458lott for groundhogs. I never had one get away wounded

yote slayer

dear joe you are full of crap and if your telling the truth your a moron .458 lott for groundhogs

Sgt. Serious

My Bushmaster Predator shoots sub .5 MOA. I'm into predator calling, and this is a great rifle for that. I have no interest whatsoever in 'terrorist cells' or 'home invasion', as the biggest magazine I own is a twenty rounder (in case a lion comes to my call and doesn't walk away after a 'woof!'). It's a surgical rifle and seldom wears more than a five-round magazine as I have no interest in burning off scads of rounds and damaging my expensive and accurate match-grade barrel. I packed these rifles for four years as a light infantry 'grunt' and I know what they're capable of. In the hands of a skilled-marksman, they'll take any sized deer down with ease. It's all about shot placement. There are two kinds of deer hunters; those that aim for the shoulder or any other big hairy part of the deer they can hit...and those of us that put them into the boiler room. It's really not that hard if you'll commit to shooting more than twenty rounds a year.

That being said, it behooves you to secure a 'black rifle' if you want one, as I don't imagine they're going to be freely available much longer. The next assault rifle ban will not have a sunset provision.

Dr. Ralph

They did it... just checked my e-mail and Remington is announcing their new not so black rifle the R-25 in .308, 7-08 and .243!

Keith Miller

Just about all rifles and bullets and based on military specs. Really what's the diff?... 30/06, 303 45/70, 308 etc.

SFC

Does anyone know the accuracy of the R-15 VTR CR..18" barrel?

AK Preditor Hunter

Just purchased the R-15 in .223 carbine. Spectacular preditor wepon, purpose build for how and where I hunt. Here in Alaska getting there is 80% of the hunt. I love mine, its compact and easy to carry on whatever mode of transportation you use to "get ya there". Best of all it will drill sub-inch groups all day long. Well done Remington!

Hunter1

Will the R-15 shoot NATO 5.56 safely?

Dr. Mark

Dear sirs;

Does anyone make a high capacity magazine for a remington 7400 semi
automatic rifle (30-06).

Thanks. Dr. Mark




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