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A Further Thought On The Black Rifle

At the recent Remington Seminar where they introduced the R-15 black rifle (that is really a camo rifle), a number of the older gun editors were seen to mutter in their false teeth about the radical turn that an old, traditional company like Remington was taking, and how they disapproved.

At length, one of the attendees spake unto them, saying:

"Look, you've got thousands and thousands of young guys out there who love these things, and if it keeps them shooting, I'm all for it. A lot of them learned to shoot from a drill sergeant; their fathers didn't teach them. They were busy playing golf or jogging. This is what they know and what they like."

I don't remember who said it, but give the man a medal. We've been Bolt-Action Nation for so long that we forget we were once Lever-Action Nation, and that what converted us was millions of young men being introduced to the 1903 Springfield, courtesy of the U.S. Army and the United States Marines.

As long as it goes bang, let us think kind thoughts about it.

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Philip Leick

What some people don't seem to understand is that anti-gunners are in no way antagonized by these kinds of guns. They are antagonized by ALL kinds of guns. Once they get gun people to (willingly) give up their military-influenced guns (you DO realize that the bolt-action love affair started very much by guys returning from the military having been exposed to the likes of the Krag and 1903, right?), they will simply MAKE UP another excuse to come after whatever is next.

I personally think it's great that Remington is doing this. They are marketing this straight to the hunting crowd. There's plenty of "black rifles" out there for anyone that wants to look "tactical". Remington is not going after this market, they are going after the hunting market. Why do people wet themselves over using rifles such as these to hunt with? Semi-auto actions have been around for decades, just because one may not like how these look (Pistol grip? The horror!!), doesn't mean they shouldn't be produced and used.

Kudos for Remington stepping out of the box and getting into the market that exists.

Rocky Mtn Hunter

A Black rifle is ok ifin right hands, but so many IDIOTS hunt a couple days during season and want a fully Auto,as they can;t shot a bolt gun accurate. They can take a Auto and blst away a deer running like crazy. I prefer not to be in the area with these type hunters.If I need extra protection, I will use my Remington 742's, my S&S (mm) Auto and my Beretta;s. If that not enough, then will use my little 380 Keltec which is in my pocket all the time I have my pants on.Not asking/looking for trouble, but want to be ready should trouble come my way.And, skin color matters little to a lamb-brain-druged idiot looking for a easy buck for more drugs, etc. Just last week, was stopped at a trash dumpster and acar pulled p with 4 guys inside, wanting to know if I could spare a dollar for gas???????? gas at 2.99 a gallon, man a dollars worth would not even fire it up. I was glad i had my Kel-tec along and did have my hand on it as they started asking questions????Lucky for some of us, they finally moved on off. But did leave me thinking, WHAT IF??????

Rocky Mtn Hunter

I failed to state, I do have a Conceal Carry Permit, so I was legal in that respect.

Bubba Fudd

Wow, a new huntin rifle from Remington! Now I can git one them there 100 round clips, paint it cammo to match the rifle, spend ONE minute to convert it to full auto, then spray the HELL outta the woods and kill me every darn deer I see! Cause every hunter must absolutely empty their clips when they see a deer. Yee Haw, spray fire!

Fred

I think this is great.

Cerberus Capital are not gun people. They are business people. They have a reputation for running the companies they buy, as opposed to some of the private equity guys who are just wrecking crews. Cerberus will make Remington/Bushmaster a going concern if they can. This is a Good Thing.

The little black rifle has been around long enough with enough smart people working on it that it will do almost anything.

"Anything" includes being a deer rifle. When a match barrel throat erodes to where it's retired from service rifle competition it can be reworked by a gunsmith to recut the chamber and shorten the barrel. This gets built into a carbine that looks a whole lot like the R-15. Deer fear them.

There is a saying among scientists that new theories of science are finally accepted when the scientists holding the old views die off.

Quite frankly, I can't wait for some of you bigotted jerks to die off.

David W

Ben, you wrote:

"Mike, I understand your argument that if liberal press knew that most hunting rifles are more powerful than the 5.56 they'd be fearful of them. I think most of them do understand this, but aren't fearful of them because they don't understand the difference between the terms "single-shot", "semi-auto", and "full-auto"."

I don't think there's a case of "less" vs. "more" fearful. I think it comes down to the MSM judging semiauto military-lookalikes as currently being the most vulnerable to their word-warping.

"Most believe that bolt-action rifles are single-shot rifles. This isn't true though unless the rifle lacks an internal magazine (my definition, maybe its wrong). However, since they [media] seem to rely on this definition of a bolt-action single-shot they believe they are "less dangerous" because you can't spray and pray."

Here's where logic takes a holiday: To these people, semiautos are more dangerous than bolts because you can spray and pray. To these SAME people (but writing a DIFFERENT column on a DIFFERENT day), bolts are more dangerous than semiautos because the slower second shot forces you to pay more attention to the first one.

Where's the logic in that? As I said, it's on vacation. More to the point, they told it to get lost. They want all of the guns gone, no questions asked.

Scoped deer rifles have already been referred to as "sniper rifles" in the MSM. Not very often, because they're concentrating on military-lookalike semiautos, but it's already happened.

If they get their way with that class of firearm, we won't hear anything more about "assault weapons" but we'll hear a whole lot about "sniper rifles."

And it won't just be M700s in military trim in the MSM photos -- it'll be beautifully blued M700s and M70s with walnut stocks.

They want them all.

David W

Ben, you wrote:

"Mike, I understand your argument that if liberal press knew that most hunting rifles are more powerful than the 5.56 they'd be fearful of them. I think most of them do understand this, but aren't fearful of them because they don't understand the difference between the terms "single-shot", "semi-auto", and "full-auto"."

I don't think there's a case of "less" vs. "more" fearful. I think it comes down to the MSM judging semiauto military-lookalikes as currently being the most vulnerable to their word-warping.

You also wrote,

"Most believe that bolt-action rifles are single-shot rifles. This isn't true though unless the rifle lacks an internal magazine (my definition, maybe its wrong). However, since they [media] seem to rely on this definition of a bolt-action single-shot they believe they are "less dangerous" because you can't spray and pray."

Here's where logic takes a holiday: To these people, semiautos are more dangerous than bolts because you can spray and pray. To these SAME people (but writing a DIFFERENT column on a DIFFERENT day), bolts are more dangerous than semiautos because the slower second shot forces you to pay more attention to the first one.

Where's the logic in that? As I said, it's on vacation. More to the point, they told it to get lost. They want all of the guns gone, no questions asked. They will change their tune, their "facts," and their writing from day to day, to accomplish this.

Scoped deer rifles have already been referred to as "sniper rifles" in the MSM. Not very often, because they're concentrating on military-lookalike semiautos, but it's already happened.

If they get their way with that class of firearm, we won't hear anything more about "assault weapons" but we'll hear a whole lot about "sniper rifles."

And it won't just be M700s in military trim in the MSM photos -- beautifully blued M700s and M70s with walnut stocks will also be held up to the camera amid outraged howls for confiscation and destruction.

I own blued, walnut-equipped hunting arms -- and IMO, anyone thinking that sacrificing the ugly black-plastic-equipped guns, will protect their blued, walnut-equipped hunting arms, hasn't been paying attention to what they want.

They want them all.

David W

My apologies for the double-post. I wasn't finished editing and yet I managed to click the post-now clicky.

I thought I'd been fast enough to cancel the first posting -- I was wrong, it got through.

Again, my apologies.

Nick

I'm no art major, but that rifle is not black at all.




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