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October 24, 2007

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A Case of Straight Priorities

Here is a nice story. Glenrock Blue is a tiny gunshop cleverly hidden on a back street in the miniscule town of Glenrock, Wyoming. It's run by the husband-and-wife team of Phil and Di Filing. Phil handles the metalwork and Di does the stocks, and together they bring guns back from the dead. You bring in some old beater that looks like it fought and lost at Little Big Horn and they will have it looking better than it did when it left the factory.

Anyway, I was there a few weeks ago and Phil handed me a Model 54 Winchester bolt-action .30/06. The serial number was 90-something, which meant it had been made in the late 1920s. It was in fine shape, except for some rust at the muzzle and on the front sight ramp, and it still had an ancient 2.5X Weaver scope mounted right down on the receiver, ahead of the bolt.

The owner wanted the rust polished out and the barrel reblued, which would just about ruin the gun for a collector (As it was, it would bring $1,500 or so from someone who wanted it bad enough.), and Phil told him so.

"I know," said the owner, "but my father gave it to me 50 years ago, and it was in perfect shape, and I want to give it to my son in the same condition."

Now there, I think, is a man with his values as they should be.

If you're interested Glenrock Blue, the phone is 307-436-2330; gunbluing.com. Be advised, however, that they don't turn guns around overnight. They are famous among shooters of taste and culture, and they have a lot of guns to work on.


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Dave in St. Pete
I can't help with Florida hunting. I'd be so scared of snakes down there I'd never see a deer.
I remember an excellent VHS tape that covered everything after the shot. I rented it to butcher the deer but the first part of the video covered field dressing. Enjoy these times! My son is on a sub right now and won't be home for deer season. I really cherish the memories.

Dr. Ralph

Dave, half the fun is getting there. I don't know anything about Florida hunting except when you leave the beach at night to go to the dog track there are a lot of eyes glowing in the dark... that and watch out for panthers. I was alone the first time I field dressed a deer and it was an experiment to say the least. Just make sure not to puncture the stomach or intestines or you will have a mess. I'm sure you and your son will figure it out and doing it on your own will make it all the more rewarding. Call your Wildlife Office and they can clue you in.

Clay Cooper

I wish I owned a firearms manufacturing plant. I’d start a special program on a line of firearms and bows aimed at the youth. They will be made inexpensively that anyone can own. That youth will be enrolled in a program that when He or She reaches the ability to go to a full-sized firearm or bow, under this program the youths parent or guardian will ship that firearm or bow back to the plant and a special order will be made at a discount to the nearest licensed firearms dealer to receive the new rifle, shotgun or bow of excellent quality.
Food for thought to those who can

Call it an investment in the future


Definitely would fill a void Clay!
Getting newcomers started out right; be they our own children and grandchildren or that coworker who decides later in life that they would like to hunt, is a responsibility and a priveledge we must take very seriously. Equipment including guns is costly, regulations can be confusing, and some of the basics like field dressing which are second nature to experienced hunters do need to be taught. Anything each of us can do to help a neophyte with the above is important.

We do have to wonder whether the corporate types are in our corner at all, companies like Remington are such a small part of the corporation to which they owe allegiance. Smith & Wesson was horrible when they were owned by Lear Seigler. We would hope that other makers would start making 'starter sets' like the Rossi combos, mayby even with stocks which 'grow' with a youngster.

Clay Cooper

Praise GOD SilverArrow That makes two, you and I to start a new generation of thinking! Perhaps this might kindle a fire of Sportsmanship Proportion! Ideas of great magnitude start in small places. Remington can give rebates of $100.00 on 700CDL’s and $5.00 for ammunition, then why not put that $100.00 and $5.00 to use in starting up the program!!
Who else wants to come on board??

Clay Cooper

Mr. David Petzal, want to come on board Sir?

Rocky Mtn Hunter

For once appears most of us on the same wave length. Rather than us talk a good game here, let's all do what-ever we can to get this idea a reality. I for one plan to begin working on my plan immediately. I know a family who has 3 small boys from 6 thru 12 and their home burned a month ago, lost evething. I have a used 410 I plan to give to the oldest and take him hunting (with parents permission and safety instructions). I also will talk with my local Law enforcement about the firearms they destroy and see if they can be given to kids. Lets all work together for a common cause,as us (me) old timers not going to be around for ever to show these kids what they will miss by not being hunters and out-door buddies.Yes, we CAN MAKE A Difference, but only if we try. Can bet your last buck, the politicians in DC or local for that matter are not going to help unless we put pressure on them NOW>.Let's get busy NOW.


My two Grandsons, by my second son, live in Maine and both started hunting at the age of 10 with Winchester Model 1300's in 20 ga. that were gifts from me. This year they were given two Winchester Model 100's in .308 that I had bought for them. The oldest, now 13, shot his first deer yesterday! One shot kill, dropped in it's tracks with a perfect shot placed behind the shoulder. He was sharing a treestand with his Dad who propably enjoyed the moment as much as his son did, our family tradition lives on!

Save our sport, take a kid hunting and fishing and you will always know where they're at!

Clay Cooper

I remember a story of a jet liner crashing on a remote snow covered mountain. On this plane were different people from all walks of life and religion. After the crash all survived and found a cave for shelter. Then they scurried around in the freezing snow to find wood. Each person found one log and returned back to the cave. None of them wanted to share their log with the group to keep warm because of religion, racial etc... The Rescue Team found them the next morning all dead, frozen stiff by the extreme subzero cold clinging onto the log they have found. Too bad they all died said the Team leader. They had enough wood for to keep warm for 5 days!
I find Companies are kind of like a Farmer watching the sky to plant his crops. The rain has come and the land is dry and the Farmer is still holding the bag of seed with empty pockets, while the farmer across the road is harvesting the biggest harvest ever.

Companies will rather save 1000 dollars rather to spend it on upgrades, training, and repairs etc. rather to make millions!
Food for thought


Clay, it will be a cold day in hell for this to happen and for David comimg on board? DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!

WA Mtnhunter

To Ralph the Rifleman:

The .35 Whelen is a great cartridge if you will limit your shots to 350 yards due to the drop curve. Although I am sure it will put down game at any range you can hit. This year's elk is now reposing in my freezer wrapped in white as a result of a 200 yard smack down from the .35 W. He only moved out of his tracks long enough to fall over. Federal loads a 225 grain Trophy Bonded. Great load, never recovered one from an animal. Good exit wound with wide wound channel. Nice to have that medium bore if you are in bear country and don't prefer a .338 mag, which I don't.

I have never seen a 700 ADL so chambered. Must be one from the late 80's or early 90's that are around. Mine is a 700 Classis (BDL action). The BDL was chambered in .35 W for several years, as is the current CDL. Good Luck.

Clay Cooper

WA Mtnhunter
Next year I'll be Elk hunting with my 338 Win Mag. Reason why, it's a carry ovey from Alaska. How ever, the 35 W is "NO PUNK" when it come to knocking down what ever crosses your path!I wouldn't give a second thought in using a 35 W on a charging Grizz!

Rocky Mtn Hunter

On rifled bbl shotguns, Never-Never try to shot Buckshot thru that bbl.If you do will deform the round shot, plus will ruin the rifling in the rifled bbl. If want to shoot Buckshot, then use a smoth bore, in full or improved cylinder. Been there, know it will tear up the riflings for sure. My Buck shot gun is a 30" full choke ll00, my rifled shotgun is a 9200 Moseburg with 24" bbl, does have a extra bbl with 4 screw in tubes..Some stats will allow Slugs, but no rifles.

WA Mtnhunter


I'm told that a number of guides use the .35 W as a backup rifle using the 250 gr slugs in bear country. I cannot verify that, but a guide that I talked with at length last week uses a .338 Win Mag, but said he would be OK with the .35 W, but prefers the .338. He should know, he has guided big game hunts in AK for over 20 years. I had a poor experience with a M70 .338 WM in 1989. Couldn't get the groups to come in and it pounded me hard enough to not want to do another range session with it. Got it traded in on the .35 Whelen and as they say, the rest is history.

If you have a .338 Win. that you are happy with, you will never be under-gunned! Three bull elk and many more deer have fallen to the .35 Whelen for me. Last year, elk shot at 264 yards ranged by Nikon laser rangefinder. This year, range under 200 yards by calibrated eyeball

Happy hunting to all!

Clay Cooper

WA Mtnhunter
The information you received about the 35 W and the 338 WM is true. What separates the 35 W from other cartridges is having the punch you need with less recoil resulting in the shooter to have the ability to recover from the recoil, recycle the bolt, quickly aim and fire the next shot. We are not talking about seconds; we are talking about milliseconds here and to live to tale about it! You got me scratching my head is why you had all the problems with the 338 WM you had. The best powder I’ve found to deliver velocity, lower pressure and accuracy is IMR4350. By the way, when I was in Alaska, all the Master Guides I had contact with and visited the range for dialing in the rifles to be used on the hunt all said, don’t bother to show up with anything less than a 30-06. Show up with a 7mm Rem Mag and they will have you leave it behind and hand you the recommended rifle that they feel you can handle. The most devastating shot on a Moose was a Teenage Boy with a 30-06 shooting Remington 180 grain factory load at about 75 yards that dropped Bullwinkle instantly. When I open the chest cavity, it looked like a bomb went off! The reason I picked the 338 Win Mag is for the overall performance. Knockdown power and long range performance was the contributing factors in picking this cartridge. I didn’t think at the time, I would be backing up hunters stalking bears and searching for the wounded ones. Talk about a scary experience! The #1 reason they wounded the bear? Using a cartridge they couldn’t handle the recoil that made them flinch and lack of experience. You need a lot of trigger time out in the country plinking at small rocks and pending on the affective range of the cartridge, with something like the 338 WM I would suggest to shoot at varying ranges from 50 to 600 yards. The reason I recommend shooting small rock is the results of hitting it is instant feedback, boosting you confidence and ability. But remember do this in an isolated area because of possible ricochets and having a good back stop like a mountain side that you can see clearly.

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