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Mondo Bizzaro: Politicians, Guns, and Election Season

This past Friday, Rudy Giuliani and a number of other republican candidates spoke to the NRA's Conference on American Values. Giuliani's appearance was strange beyond words. It was rather like Rosie O'Donnell speaking at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study. Few active politicians have done as much as Rudy to make life hard for guns and gun owners. The sum of what he had to say amounted to, in my words:

"I know I've been an anti-gun prick for my entire career, but now that I need your votes, I'm a different guy."

Then he took a cell phone call from his wife. Different interpretations have been placed on this, but mine is, he's simply as rude as every other jerk who is slave to a cell phone.

I think the only honest dialog between a politician and the NRA took place in 1966 or 1967 when Bobby Kennedy spoke to the organization and, in a room that seethed with mutual hatred, said:

"I'm going to put you people out of business."

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Mark-1

Think you guys in these later posts are ignoring the fact the USA is much different from 200, plus years ago. I can sympathize with you since I’m a Jeffersonian myself. I love the fact our Founders followed J. Locke and Rousseau thought heavily. However, most people miss the point their thought depended upon vast “material abundance” of an undeveloped continent. Those days are obviously gone forever.

Gov’t had to step in to provide for its citizens. The minute gov’t does this it needs regulating and policing functions.

Later

Jim Kiser

Thats the problem Mark, people think goverment can take care of them. It can't. A pol in California will not see to a Virginian and vice/versa. If you dislike Bush and the his snooping what about Hillary and that bunch. They all consider us serfs to be used and discarded. I could go on and on about how people in both parties are breaking the law and getting away with it but I have a feeling that it would be wasting my breath. To quote Ben "Those who would give up liberty for safety will have neither". Ben also was quoted to say when asked if we had a goverment during the conventions "A republic if you can keep it". Ben I apologise if I got it wrong.

Mark W.

Fred Thompson looks good up front...but he has a history of votingagainst gun rights. Take another look at him before voting for him.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good candidate...just not all he looks to be.

Mark W.

Fred Thompson looks good up front...but he has a history of votingagainst gun rights. Take another look at him before voting for him.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good candidate...just not all he looks to be.

Mark W.

Fred Thompson looks good up front...but he has a history of votingagainst gun rights. Take another look at him before voting for him.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good candidate...just not all he looks to be.

SilverArrow

Mark 1
Things certainly have changed in the last 220+ years. It is not the changes that matter it is the constant. The constant has been the American Dream; that UNIQUE to The United States opportunity to use God given talent, initiative and hard work to achieve and earn a better life for yourself and family! The American Dream is still possible; regardless of one's birthright, race, creed, gender, social caste etc., ONLY because we have another UNIQUE Right -- the Second Ammendment guaranteed Right to Keep and BEAR Arms.

As we look at the states which have infringed that Right to Keep and Bear Arms we see government interference in other aspects of life as well. We see higher barriers to initiative and more failing government 'programs' to 'help the disadvantaged.' Coincidence? Hardly! Spare us the "We neeeed government!" whiney BS!
We need individual drive and initiative!
SA

lastearlofshaw

Don't you worry Dave:

Those clever guys at the NRA will keep us informed about the voting records of all those lying bastards who, being the whores they are, now do 180 degree turns as the election season nears...

Dennis

SA,
wow it seems as though you have figured it all out.
Individual drive and intitiative. Thats what we need.
Stunning
You have any examples to support your other comments regarding a corralation between states gun laws and barriers to initiative, as you put it?

Dennis

One more thing and I'm done with this nonsense. We do need government. Of course we need govt. People say "I love my country but I hate my govt" Hate your politicians not your govt. Our govt in case you havent noticed manages a great deal of things in our country. Things that we need them to manage. FEMA for example, great idea, we need FEMA in our country to handle disasters. What we dont need is someone appointed to run govt agencies like FEMA that are not capable of doing so in the first place. To say we need more initiative and drive and less govt is %*$#. Tell the son of a janitor that works his @** off to provide for his family but cant afford to pay for that pricy operation that he just needs a little more drive and initiative and he could have the same coverage as the exxon exec. Tell all of the Ohio iron workers whose jobs were outsourced by Bush after twenty years of employment,to suck it up and just exercise a little more drive. Tell all of the New Orleans residents, be it the elderly ones, poor ones, disabled ones, or the dozen or so that drowned in a friggin nursing home that they really just need a little more drive and initiative, its not the governments job to help you out. Tell me and my wife, who are well over one hundred thousand in debt for student loans to pay for an overpriced education (someone has to pay those department heads six figure salaries, automobiles, homes) that you pretty much have to have now in this country if you want your family to have a descent life. That if we exercised a little more drive we could easily pay those student loans off just in time to start paying for our own kids education. There is a fundamental choice we have to make in this country, are we on the same team or is it every man for himself? Are we a people that help each other out or exercise the old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" I'm doing ok (for now) screw the other guy.

SilverArrow

Where to even start?
I am not even going to go tit-for-tat here but NO it is NOT the government's job to bail people out!
I am paying my student loans too; on time. I value the education I received, it wasn't overpriced at all. Oh and I minimized mine by working full time all through school.
Having a FEMA or equivalent as a safety net might seem ok but as we saw with Katrina way too many people sit back waiting for them to come riding a white horse or HummVee to the rescue. Funny thing happened up here in New Hampshire in 2006 when we had disasterous flooding; people (not government) came together and pulled each other through (so you don't chide me later -- yes in many cases FEMA money was applied for after the fact, and yes local, county and state resources were in play during the crisis). The point is Granite Staters did not just sit waiting for FEMA; the able helped the less able with physical tasks, emotional support and financially as well!
No where in our US Constitution does it say we have the right to the same income and ammenities as the next person. It does say we are all Created Equal and have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Bubba

YOU GO S.A.!!

Wish I were as articulate as you!
When Rita hit Houston area, roads were blocked with trees, (Pine is exceptionally susceptable to high winds and heavy rain!. Predominant species in those rural areas!) locals showed up with chain saws to clear roads!
A friend (a fireman) at the time was sent to southwestern Mississippi to assist in rescue and recovery efforts. He was shocked to find that the greatest percentage (over 90%) of the rural population, needed no help, but were continually inviting rescuers into their homes for meals!
Yes, we need government!
No, we don't need them (Big Brother) to "take care" of us!
I say again... YOU GO S.A.!!!!

Bubba

Zermoid

As to eye dominance, it can be learned I believe. I can mentally force myself to "see" with either eye altho I am naturally Rt eye dominant. I can put a scope up to my Rt eye and with both eyes open can switch the view I see from scope view to full view quite easily, of course I started doing this when I was young. (about 35 years ago)
This is a great asset when hunting and was taught to do this by my Dad, always shoot both eyes open, and being able to look at the natural scene and scope scene or one or the other helps to pick up your target in brushy or heavy sapling environments. Switching between left eye view and right eye view takes practice but is not impossible, and no squinting allowed! May want to practice with a camcorder, use the little B&W viewer not the video screen, you should be able to look at either the B&W viewfinder image or the colored "real world" image at will, it's easy with practice and lets you see not only what's going on that the camera's recording but the surrounding action too! (if you have a son playing football it comes in real handy recording his games!)

Zermoid

Greg

Bubba right on AGAIN. BIG BROTHER is watching. Enough is enough!! My sister lives in Sugarland and my Mom and Pop live in south alabam so Im familiar with the hurricane stuff.My parents didnt want or need any help from BIG BROTHER. If there had been a looting problem at my folks like they had in N.O. some thugs would have met their maker. BIG BROTHER leave our "Right to bear arms"alone!!!

Dennis

Ok I cant help myself. Your comparing flooding in NH in 2006 to the most costly disaster ever to hit the U.S. Over 1600 dead and nearly a million displaced and your talking about flooding in NH. By the way the GOVERNMENT, FEMA did provide a ton of disaster relief to NH in 2006 mostly to help those that were unemployed because of the flooding as well as the whooping 200 homes destroyed in the flooding. and Bubba....some people showed up in friggin Houston with chain saws to cut pine trees? Are you refering to Katrina? Houston is inland Bubba....way inland.....that means its not on the coast....understand? Also the Houston area isnt rural. I've been to Houston...if something on the same scale as Katrina hit Houston you could bet your ass you would have looting and so on. I would love to see how agriculture does in your area (the south) following a disaster without any govt intervention.

Henry

Dennis,
I live in the greater Houston area and I assure you that Houston is NOT "way inland". The actual southern Houston city limits on the Gulf Freeway are about 20 miles from the Gulf of Mexico beach and the upper reaches of Galveston Bay are within the Houston city limits. Ships do dock at the Port of Houston and use the Houston Ship Channel. Hurricane Rita struck soon after Katrina and very nearly missed Houston coming ashore just to the east. It was believed to have been at least a high category four storm when it made landfall, but the NOAA instruments broke shortly before landfall. It absolutely devastated East Texas and West Louisiana for over 200 miles inland. Since this area was not a major concentration of population such as New Orleans or Houston, it did not get near the press attention as the Katrina coverage. Without question, if Rita had not made a last minuite turn to the east, the devastation it would have done would have made New Orleans and the Mississippi - Alabama coastal area damage look miniscule. As it was only the eastern fringes of Houston was really affected, but the poor souls east of Galveston Bay over into the western edges of Louisiana and north for about 200 miles caught pure hell.

SilverArrow

Dennis
I was in a wonderful diner today; they have a sign which assesses a 5 cent charge for whining! By my count you are up to about $500.00 in whining charges STFU!
SA

Dennis

SA,
Whoa! Quit egging me on then. I am mearly attempting to enlighten my fellow F&S readers, assumed outdoorsman, sportsman, firearms enthusiasts to the fact that our government is not necessarily the enemy. Now I know that some consrevatives tend to have a difficult time accepting what we call facts....or reality but nevertheless, I am only trying to do my part...I would much rather discuss how happy I am about the Mossberg 535 I just purchased or something else related but hey, I just cant help myself. Am always game for spirited debate. If it looks as though I'm whining....tough S&*$

Bubba

Excuse me Dennis
I was born and jerked up in E. Texas. Make no mistake, I KNOW where Houston, Texas is located. Are you aware that Houston is one of the largest seaports in the world? Yeah, it's inland. Ask some of the residents at least 60 years of age if they remember Hurrican Carla?
Silver Arrow, I know a lot more about Houston than I want to. My favorite part of Houston is the north bound lane of I-45!
Now, I agree with the fact that the government should not be our enemy, and truly, the government isn't. It's the people that run the government that allow themselves to lead with their emotions instead of their brains.
How about Hillary Clinton.... "I'll straighten out health care, AND I'll pay for it by rolling back some of Pres. Bush's tax cuts!"
Wake up, she's telling you she wants you to pay more taxes! To pay for something SHE wants! Do YOU want it?
The government is basically a set of representatives because twenty million people in a town hall meeting isn't going to work. We elect these people to work for US. Not U.S.! US, as in "We, the People...." These people make the government our enemy when they stop listening to the people that elected them and begin to follow their own agenda's and/or emotions.
If your local, elected official is anti-smoking and his constituency are tobacco growers, do you think he will do everything in his powers to help them? By all rights, he should be working for them! Regardless of his personal feelings!!!
When the majority of a population wants firearms in their homes, there should never be any question as to where our elected officials stand!!

Bubba
P.S. - I'm not whining, I'm shouting from the roof tops!

Greg

Ya said it again. Speak it in aloud an clear voice!!!!!!!!

SilverArrow

Dennis
If I want your sort of 'facts' I'll watch CNN or CBS, thank you, very much!
Watching your house float down-stream is the same whether in NH or Louisiana; your dreams float down with it. So on the very personal level the disaster is the same! No, there were not the same number of people affected in NH as with Katrina. As Bubba said though; those affected by Katrina had the same choice: get themselves in gear or wait (and bitch about the delays etc) for Uncle Sam.
Perhaps I was a bit disrespectful in what I posted last night snd for that I apologize.
Debate is good.
Tomorrow I will also be enjoying time with a Mossberg 12 gauge (M 500) for opening day of Small Game here in NH.
SA

Thomas

Personally I can not vote for a person who will not treat the people around them with respect. I seem to remember a incident that happened a while back when a Secret Service Agent said good morning to her. She shot back "It is bad enough that I have to see these people, But I don't have to talk to them" I can understand being surrounded by people all day and having no real privacy. But treat the people that protect your life with their's with some respect.

Thomas

If hillary wants to change health so bad why hasn't so do so by now? She had 8 years while bill was in office and put her in charge of health care. Then she got elected as a senator and still has not made much progress. So what has she done in the last 14 years.

Ray

Dennis,
Houston isnt far inland my friend. However, Hurricane Rita never touched Houston in the first place so the whole point is moot. Do you sound like your whining...Yes, Do you have some valid points, Yes. Do I have a solution. Sadly no, it seems we have a love hate relationship with our govt. We love to hate em, and the level of corruption in our govt is staggering. I didn't know Mossy had a 535 model, are you sure your not referring to the 835?

Dennis

I agree on the love hate thing. No its a 535, I believe its basically a 500 that will take 3.5 shells and it comes with different barrel options as a combo.

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