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ZUMBOMANIA: David E. Petzal’s take on the Jim Zumbo fiasco

In case you just emerged from a coma and have not heard, the shooting world is agog over a blog posted by Jim Zumbo, former contributing editor at Outdoor Life, over the weekend of February 17. In it, Jim stated that any semiauto rifle with an AR or AK prefix was a terrorist rifle, had no place in hunting, and should be outlawed for that purpose. Then, courtesy of the Internet and all its blogs and chatrooms, the roof fell in.

The speed with which Zumbomania spread, the number of comments it drew, and the rabid nature of same were a revelation. Overnight, this thing became as big as Janet Jackson’s clothing failure or—dare I say it?—Britney Spears’ shaved head. Jim Zumbo is now as employable as the Unabomber, and Sarah Brady will no doubt adopt his comments to her own gun-control purposes.

For the last several days I’ve been visiting all manner of blogs and chatrooms, which has reminded me of when I used to deliver used clothing to the local mental hospital. I’ve tried to make some sense of it all, but because the waters are still full of blood and body parts continue to rain from the sky, I haven’t come up with any Great Truths. Lacking that, here are some Lesser Truths.

What Jim said was ill-considered. He’s entitled to his beliefs, but when a writer of his stature comes out against black guns, it sure as hell does not help our cause.

Even so, Jim made an immediate apology. He did not equivocate, or qualify, or make excuses. He acted like a gentleman and said he was wrong, and he was sorry. Apparently this is not enough anymore. We now live in the era of one strike and you're out.

For 40 years, Jim has been a spokesman and ambassador of good will for hunting. Through his tireless efforts as a teacher and lecturer on hunting and hunting skills, he has done more for the sport than any 250 of the yahoos who called for his blood.

Jim has paid dearly for what he said. He has lost his blog and his association with Remington. Cabela’s has suspended its sponsorship of his TV show; and Outdoor Life has accepted his offer to sever ties. To all the chatroom heroes who made him unemployable, I have a word of warning: You’ve been swinging a two-edged sword. A United States in which someone can be ruined for voicing an unpopular opinion is a dangerous place. Today it was Jim’s turn. Tomorrow it may be yours.

If Sarah Brady is smart—and she is very smart—she will comb through the same blogs and chatrooms I’ve been reading, excerpt some of the most vicious and foul-mouthed entries, print them up, and distribute them to Congress. Then it will be interesting to see how the men and women who wrote that stuff enjoy seeing their efforts being put to use by every anti-gunner in America.

Stay tuned.

Editor's Note: Read Dave's response to your comments here

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Nelson

Zumbo spoke his mind, and we spoke ours! What is it you can not understand about the second?

JZ

Over 1400 comments, not one response from an editor

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What!!! Contribute to Sarah,Queen Hypocrite of all hypocrites???

"New York Daily News
March 22, 2002 08:15:00


WASHINGTON - Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas in 2000 - and may have skirted Delaware state background-check requirements, the New York Daily News has learned.

Brady reveals in a new memoir that she bought James Brady Jr. a Remington .30-06, complete with scope and safety lock, at a Lewes, Del., gun shop.

"I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle, loaded it into my little car and drove home," she writes. "It seemed so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."

Brady became a household name as a crusader for stricter gun-control laws after her husband, James, then the White House press secretary, was seriously wounded in a 1981 assassination attempt on then-President Ronald Reagan.

Brady writes in "A Good Fight" that the unnamed gun shop ran federal Brady Law and Delaware state background checks with great fanfare.

The book suggests that she did not have her son checked, as required by Delaware state law.

"(W)hen the owner called in the checks, it seemed to me he spoke unnecessarily loudly, repeating and spelling my name over and over on the phone," Brady writes.

Amy Stillwell, a spokeswoman for The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the federal Brady Law does not require background checks for intrafamily gun gifts.

Stillwell said she did not know whether her son was checked under the state law. The Delaware Department of Justice says the state does not have an exemption for family gifts.

"Scott is not a convicted felon, and he is not prohibited from owning a gun," Stillwell said. "Scott Brady could walk into a store and buy a - he is not a prohibited purchaser."

Delaware Justice Department spokeswoman Lori Sitler said the purchase could be illegal under state law if Brady did not also say who she was buying the gun for and submit his "name, rank and serial number" for a full check.

"You can't purchase a gun for someone else," Sitler said yesterday. "That would be a 'straw purchase.' You've got a problem right there."

Anti-gun control advocates were surprised to hear of Brady's foray into their world.

"We hope that it's innocuous and there's been no laws violated," said James Jay Baker, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association. "It's obviously interesting that Sarah would be purchasing firearms of any kind for anybody, given her championing of restrictive guns laws for everyone."

Monday, February 19, 2007

The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles.
Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.

gc

I read your 2/22/07 commentary regarding Jim Zumbo. I have been involved with guns, shooting and hunting in all their variations for almost as long as Jim. I have had the pleasure of spending time hunting with Jim and he is all that you say he is and more. However, you seem to have missed the point. It appears that you are blaming those of us who have responded strongly for Jim’s demise. That’s like blaming women for crying rape! Jim is responsible for his demise and better to have someone of his stature be made an example of than to have others that should also know better continue down his path. I also would like to see Jim’s career resurrected, but Jim is the only one who can do that and the apology you reference was at best only half hearted. Stating that he’s reconsidered his position and now realizes that there are legitimate uses for ARs is not an apology. His statements clearly demonstrate that he is still of the opinion that firearms ownership must only be related to hunting to be legitimate. All uses are legitimate! I would strongly suggest that you not just read the second amendment, but also take the time to read the writings of the men who drafted and signed it into law. If you read their thoughts and statements before, during and long after they had passed it into law, there would be no confusion regarding their intent for our rights or what they meant by “ARMs”.

You are right in your claim that Jim has the right to say anything he wishes and I would be the first to defend that right with force, however those of you with access and a forum have a responsibility that goes along with your power. You can say what you will, but you can’t cry foul when we exact a price for your statements. Our constitution guarantees your right to free speech; it does not guarantee that there will be no consequences for it. Your general tenor seems to imply that you’ve forgotten that both your right to voice an opinion and my right to object to it are not mutually exclusive. Say what you will, but realize that we are free to react as we will.

What you should be dealing with is the division between all the pursuits that are protected and trying to find a way for all of us to better understand our fellow gun owners and through that understanding create a mutual desire for each of us to support the other.

TooT Sweet

http://subguns.com/boards/sword.cgi

scott

My how times have changed.

10 yrs or so ago I wrote a letter to the editor over a similer instance, who knows, maybe it was Petzals' F&S column. Guess what? NOTHING HAPPENED!

Today, different story. Now Petzal can be hung out to dry just like Zumbo.

ANYONE! who would sacrifice the "assault weapon" owners in a craven attempt to save their own pretty little wood-stocked "hunting" guns deserves to be tarred and feathered. FYI, my favorite "assault weapon" is my wood-stocked M1.

We got Zumbo, now lets take down Petzal too!

Jesse M. Casteel

I have been reading this about Jim and angers me to no end. How many time have his readers stuck their combine feet in their mouth???? Sure it was an ill timed unwanted comment from a man of his position but, it should not ocst this man the ability to do what he does educate and entertain the hunting public. He said he was sorry and he has been a man about it and it's time the american Public get over it. I am a hunter and shooter and have been so for well over 40 years and thinks it's pretty bad when a man can't voice his opinion and be hung in the process. I thought freedom of speech was protected under our constitution. I spent 25 years defending that principal in the USAF and regardless wether you agree or not it's his voice and his opinion. America Grow UP!

Craig S

The 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting. Period. Any support of a ban of ANY firearm is an abridgment of our god given (and constitutional recognized) right to keep and bear arms.

If I want to target shoot with a semi auto, fine (NRA Highpower fo rexample). If I want to hunt deer with a 20mm Lahti, fine. I will not support the abridgement of YOUR choice of arm, why would you support the abridgement of mine?

Give the liberals more ammo and they will come for your $10,000 custom bolt "sniper" guns exactly five minutes after they have tried to get my AKs and ARs. Failure to support the entire un-infringed right recognized by the second is bad for us ALL.

Zumbo was wrong. Period. He absolutely has the right to his opinion (even if wrong) but his supplying ammo to our common enemies is inexcusable. He gets the same treatment of the other collaborationists. I do not own Ruger, Colt or Smith and Wesson firearms based on their support of our enemies in the past, even if their political awareness has improved. I will continue to let my wallet and my vote count rather than my big mouth.

Hillary Fan

http://www.hillary.org/hc/Hillary_Clinton_Forum_1267_chat1.cgi Yes http://www.hillary.org/hc/Hillary_Clinton_Forum_1260_chat1.cgi THe Anti Gun Live

ssr

"I spent 25 years defending that principal in the USAF and regardless wether you agree or not it's his voice and his opinion. America Grow UP!"

He still has his right to free speech. He can still say whatever he wants, if that's what he believes. Nobody is stopping him!

But he acheived his position because of our support and money. When he starts supporting causes counter to what we desire, we withdraw our support. It's very simple. If someone uses their position, achieved through our support and money, to fight against us, support is withdrawn. It has nothing to do with stifling free speech. It has to do with not supporting your political enemy! Sheesh. Why is that so hard to understand.

American

There's been a lot of talk lately about what the government is doing to the population. Be it allowing illegal immigrants free reign. Trying to erradicate the 2nd ammendment. Forcing us to pay illegal taxes. Wanting to hand out ID cards and, micro chiping driver's licenses in 08. Eventually people.

We can all agree this is happening right before our eyes but why? I'm trying to figure out why and I'm not seeing it. Do they want to enslave us to where we're paying 80% in taxes and we get to keep 20%? What do the power hungry want? It can't be land as they're allowing all illegals to flood in here at will, using up land and resources.
I can't figure it out. What they'd do next once they achieve all their goals. Although I think it's clear that when all that's done and you have a bunch of people sitting around with nothing much left to do but create more laws, it will continually get more oppressive.
Anymore, I'm just hoping not to see a dictator running the show in my lifetime.

It's sad to complain because I just enjoyed an entire day of freedom, doing whatever I want, no questions asked. But I can't help but feel in the grand scheme, we're being lulled to sleep over something and I don't know why?

Is it that they know things that we don't? Such as a huge financial collapse from all the debt? And they don't want people armed for the next depression? I wouldn't rule it out.

Chewey

The Illegal Alien Conquest

Of Los Angeles County

3-1-7

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million

people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they

are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans

on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican

nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely

illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English.

3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County).

(All the above from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of

California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, (after

subtracting taxes immigrants pay), a NET $70 BILLION a year, [Professor

Donald Huddle, Rice University ].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average

adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE number.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

If they can come to this country to raise hell and demonstrate by the

thousands, WHY can't they take charge over the corruption in their own

country?

We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.

THE U.S. VS MEXICO

On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los

Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even

though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem

and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters

of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat

upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the

match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the

most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."

Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European

countries can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education,

and government contracts? It's called affirmative action or racial privilege.

The Emperor of Japan or the President of Mexico could migrate here and

immediately be eligible for special rights unavailable for Americans of

European descent.

Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world

immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are Exxon,

Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more.

DID YOU KNOW?

Did you know .. that Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of the defense

in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals?

Did you know .. that Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican national

accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so?

According to the L.A. Times, Orange County , California is home to 275

gangs with 17,000 members, 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.

How's your county doing?

According to a New York Times article dated May 19, 1994 , 20 years after

the great influx of legal immigrants from Southeast Asia , 30% are still on

welfare compared to 8% of households nationwide. A Wall Street Journal

editorial dated December 5, 1994 quotes law enforcement officials as stating

that Asian mobsters are the "greatest criminal challenge the country faces."

Not bad for a group that is still under 5% of the population.

Is education important to you? Here are the words of a teacher who spent

over 20 years in the Los Angeles School system. "Imagine teachers in

classes containing 30-40 students of widely varying attention spans and

motivation, many of whom aren't fluent in English. Educators seek learning

materials likely to reach the majority of students and that means fewer

words and math problems and more pictures and multicultural references."

WHEN I WAS YOUNG

I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island .

They wanted to learn English.

They wanted to breathe free.

They wanted to become Americans.

Now, far too many immigrants come here with demands.

They demand to be taught in their own language.

They demand special privileges ... affirmative action.

They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.

NOW . WHY CAN'T WE SEND THEM HOME

HOW CAN YOU HELP?

Send copies of this letter to at least two other people ... 100 would be even

better.

Checked out with www.Truthorfiction.com


Mark Winn

Petzal how can you post this when i read an issue of F&S where you said people shouldnt own ARs.

DeLorean

http://216.22.2.74/cgi-local/ffa2.cgi?noframes Second Amendment Gun Shop's

Pete Varamitch

To "Innocent Bystander".... wake up and smell the coffee! Maybe you're not a hillbilly, but you're sure a LOSER for spending that amount of time to write your epistle on this blog, which is a giant waste of time in itself. Get real you moron.

Scott

America is the land of the Evil empire and land of the selfish chosen few.while they worry about other lands and breast cancer that men contract,the very country they live in falls apart,and the humor in it all is that they help it along with liberal cause and shows of weakness.Yet they forget the poor people's they use as political pawns for money gains and political power as the rest of their people "Suffer".A melting pot of destruction and hatred that is being breeded in this land of the dead is growing closer to its final days and with must rejoice from those of us waiting to take this jem in the rough and recut it to the more pleasant luster you can give such jems.Yet with money and social programs they think they can buy there way out of destruction like western fools do.They think they are all knowing and all powerfull that this dream they live will never die,yet they do not see that it already has died a million deathes and that they have a land of diveded people eager to take power and restore it to the old ways.Yet they lend a hand to there internal enemies and help them grow more powerfull as they grow weaker and there people draw a more seperated line.What fools these Americans are and how weak can these people be,yet they are nothing of the grain there elders were.Such weakness deserves to die and others take there place in power.

Pete Varamitch

Dear Scott the GOOK: Up yours and your Asian gookland. You'll get payback soon.

John Doe

[QUOTE=Pat Ruger;419558]I know most everyone knows about this, but for those shooters that are just coming on board...

Gun writers Jim Zumbo (Outdoor Life, G&A, and more) Bill McRae (outdoor author), and Thomas McIntyre (Field & Stream and more) have yet again added to the attack on our second amendment rights, by stating their opinions on AR and AK rifles.

[B]In a nutshell if you haven't read or responded to what Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre have stated, and whether or not the AR semi auto's appeal to you as a shooter- I have listed below their statements and instructions for easy email response to the email list of some of their current industry sponsors. If you wish to respond (and WE NEED you to!!), please help fight back:[/B]

****Jim Zumbo at Outdoor Life:
[url]http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html[/url]

Quote:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

****(post from an industry gun writer David M. Fortier 2-18-07)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

[B]Another writer Bill McRae has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:

Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae[/B]

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields

He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.

David M. Fortier
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Here's a copy of my letter. Feel free to use what you wish:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat[/QUOTE]

[B]Outdoor Writer Bill McRae's CORRECT contact info is:

[email protected]
40 Sherman Lane
P.O. Box 160
Choteau, MT 59422-0160
(406) 466-5596
[/B]

Egad, Mr. Petzal. It seems as though most of the "body parts" concerning last February's Zumbo affair have landed(?). Thanks for your original (and sane and balanced) commentary on the incident and its fallout.

steve

i have a gun made by ward and son finetwist in the 1800s wloud like to find fotos of there guns

common sense

I always wondered if someone started running over people with there minivans would certain people want to ban minivans or maybe all cars. But banning cars is just crazy talk, because why? because you believe in them or use them for your survival. My point is are you giving up your keys because of the environmental people. Thats just say the fuel used in your [email protected] car has caused more lives to be takin by the gun. Think with common sense!




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