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February 16, 2006

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The Gun Nut Survey: A highly biased, unofficial poll of 2,000 readers on all things shooting

In the 12 days it was out there, we got over 2,000 responses to our Gun Nut Survey. Some of the results were flat startling. We learned that Remington rules the roost as far as popularity goes, that the highest-ranked handgun was designed before the First World War, and that our No. 1 big-game and deer cartridge is even older. But this nod to tradition aside, we found that most of you do not yearn for the good old days. You think modern guns are better, and you are perfectly happy to break with tradition if it results in a better firearm. We also learned that firearms hunters won’t cross certain technological barriers if it means violating their code of ethics.

The best part of the survey may be your comments. We’ve published as many of them as we could.

The survey is broken into five sections:
The Guns You Shoot
The Guns You Like Best
Your Thoughts on Today's Guns
Your Shooting Habits
Your Principles and Politics

You can click on one of these section names to visit that section, or just keep on reading to start at the beginning. And as you'll probably disagree with most of these results, voice your opinion by clicking on the "comments" link located all the way at the bottom of the page.

Section 1:Your Guns
You have plenty of good guns on your rack, but here’s what you take down most often

1. What is your primary whitetail gun?

Remington 700 15%
Ruger 77 7%
Winchester 70 7%
Remington 870 5%
Browning A-Bolt 4%
Marlin 336 4%
Winchester 94 4%
Savage 110/111/116 3%
Remington 742/7400 3%
Remington 760/7600 3%
other 45%

2. What is your primary whitetail gun’s caliber or gauge?

.30/06 20%
12 gauge 14%
.270 13%
.30/30 9%
.308 7%
.243 5%
7mm Remington Magnum 5%
other 27%

3. What is your primary big-game rifle?

Remington 700 22%
Winchester 70 11%
Ruger 77 8%
Browning A-Bolt 7%
Savage 110/111/116 6%
Weatherby Mark V 4%
Mauser, commercial or
converted military 4%
Remington 742/7400 3%
Remington 760/7600 3%
Marlin 1895 3%
other 26%

4. What is your primary big-game rifle’s caliber?

.30/06 30%
7mm Remington Magnum 10%
.270 9%
.300 Winchester Magnum 9%
.308 6%
.300 Weatherby Magnum 3%
.300 Winchester Short Magnum 3%
.45/70 3%
.338 3%
other 34%

5. What is your primary waterfowl shotgun?

Remington 870 22%
Remington 1100/11-87 14%
Mossberg 500/535/835 10%
Benelli Super Black Eagle I/II 4%
Winchester 1200/1300 4%
Browning A-5 3%
Benelli Nova 3%
other 40%

6. What is your primary upland shotgun?

Remington 1100/11-87 11%
Remington 870 11%
Browning Citori 6%
Mossberg 500 4%
Ruger Red Label 4%
Winchester 1200/1300 3%
Browning A-5 3%
Beretta 686/687 3%
other 52%

7. What is your primary turkey shotgun?

Remington 870 24%
Remington 1100/11-87 11%
Mossberg 500/535 9%
Mossberg 835 6%
Winchester 1200/1300 5%
Benelli Nova 4%
Benelli Super Black Eagle 4%
Browning BPS 7%
other 30%

Your Quotes

Diehl“Synthetic stocks add a touch of the vulgar to the last elegant activity available to the common man.”
--Mike Diehl, with a Mannlicher-Schoenauer Model 1950

Harwood“God, guns, guts, forever!”
—Bruce Harwood (right), with a browning citori and a friend

“Just that I wish I had spent a few dollars more when I was younger to get better quality.”         

“I shoot guns from a hundred years ago, and I shoot guns that are 5 years old. I love them all, and I shoot all of them.”

“If I’m going to buy a gun, it’s for use and abuse. Expensive bells and whistles don’t sell me. I buy for what works best for me, what will last, and what doesn’t cost six months’ salary.”

Dave's Thoughts:
Remington Rules: Two gun models designed just after World War II lead the pack in 2006

I would have bet anything that your choice for the world’s best gun would have been the Winchester Model 70, but it was the Remington 700, and by a landslide. And for the best upland shotgun, I was sure you’d select a tradition-dripping side-by-side like the Parker. What won? The Remington 870—by a landslide. For favorite whitetail gun, the venerated Winchester Model 94? The infallible Marlin Model 336? No, it was the Remington Model 700, by—repeat after me—a landslide.

You can get the 870 and the 700 in all sorts of variations, and at all sorts of prices, but regardless of cost, they work. And that, you have said loud and clear, is what counts most.

Section 2: The Best Guns
Your selections of the greatest rifles, shotguns, handguns, and cartridges ever made

1. What’s the best whitetail rifle ever made?

Remington 700 30%
Winchester 94 16%
Winchester 70 15%
Marlin 336 11%
Savage 99 7%
Weatherby Mark V 6%
Remington 760/7600 6%
other 9%

2. What’s the best whitetail cartridge?

.30/06 29%
.270 21%
.30/30 18%
.308 9%
.243 5%
7mm/08 5%
.35 Remington 4%
.280 2%
other 7%

3. What’s the best all-around North American big-game rifle ever made?

Remington 700 40%
Winchester 70 25%
Weatherby Mark V 13%
Ruger 77 10%
Savage 110 5%
other 7%

4. What’s the best all-around North American big-game cartridge?

.30/06 47%
.300 Winchester Magnum 19%
7mm Remington Magnum 13%
.270 7%
.308 6%
.280 1%
other 7%

5. What’s the best American handgun ever made?

Colt 1911 41%
Colt Peacemaker 18%
Ruger Single Six 18%
Smith & Wesson 29 16%.
other 7%

6. What’s the best all-around shotgun ever made?

Remington 870 33%
Remington 1100 12%
Winchester 12 11%
Benelli Super Black Eagle 9%
Mossberg 500 8%
Browning A-5 7%
Browning Citori 4%

7. What’s the best upland shotgun ever made?

Remington 870 18%
Browning Citori 13%
Remington 1100 10%
Winchester 12 9%
Ithaca 37 6%
Mossberg 500 5%
Ruger Red Label 5%
Browning A-5 5%
other 29%

8. What’s the best waterfowl shotgun ever made?

Remington 870 24%
Benelli Super Black Eagle 16%
Remington 11-87 11%
Winchester 12 9%
Browning A-5 7%
Browning 31/2-inch Gold 6%
Winchester 31/2-inch Super X2 5%
other 22%

Your Quotes:

Gangi“The only thing that bothers me is guns today really have no personality.” 
—Michael G. Gangi, with a Remington 870

Douglas“My parents let me buy my Remington 870 when I was about 11 years old with the agreement that I had to stop complaining about how much I didn’t like going to school.  Once the agreement was made, I shut my mouth for the rest of the school year.”
—Steve Douglas, with a Beretta 687

Squiers“Growing up with guns can be a positive experience. Nobody seems to believe that anymore.”
—Bruce Squiers, with a Stevens high power lever action

“I think that it is less about what the gun costs and more about how it feels in your hands. My ’06 is not the greatest gun in the world, but I have shot it until it is like part of my body.”

“How is it that our favorite guns are always the guns
we own?”

Dave's Thoughts:
The Invincible ’06: It debuted 100 years ago but is still the benchmark rifle cartridge

The favorite whitetail cartridge and the best big-game cartridge, miles ahead of everything else, are one and the same. It  was designed in 1903, the year the Wright brothers first flew, and it attained its final form three years later. Now, when we are landing probes on asteroids, this 100-year-old cartridge remains the one against which all others are measured—and fall short.

It was created by the U.S. Army, and its original designation was the .30 Government Model 1906, and it was originally chambered for the legendary Springfield Model 1903 rifle, with which we fought World War I. The doughboys who carried the Springfield were stunned at the gun’s range and accuracy of the rifle and cartridge, and when they got home, the ’06 was off and running.

The standard military loading was a 150-grain bullet at 2700 fps. Now, commercial ammo can move that same 150-grain slug at close to 3000 fps. The ’06 is loaded with bullets that range in weight from 110 grains to 220, and if you can’t find a weight that suits you, you are too fussy.

Section 3: Today's Guns
You like to own rifles and shotguns that are affordable, accurate, practical, and new.

1. American guns are:

Better than they were 50 years ago 65%
Not as good as they were 50 years ago 19%
About the same as they were 50 years ago 6%

2. The last time you bought a new gun, how did you feel about it?

Great investment; worth every cent 77%
Not bad, but not quite as good as I’d hoped 22%
Would be more useful if it were converted to a lamp 1%

3. Which of the following do you agree with?

Having so many cartridges available makes shooting more interesting 65%
There are way too many cartridges available these days 35%

4. Do you feel that gun manufacturers are turning out the same old stuff year after year, just with new unimportant features?

They’re the same basic designs, but with lots of genuine improvements over older guns 72%
You bet, and I’m getting pretty sick of it 28%

5. I will toss my cookies if I read another word about:

Guns that cost as much as a good used car 34%
Super-long-range shooting 11%
Minute-of-angle accuracy 6%
Ordinary guns that you can see any day. I want to read about the unusual stuff 3%
None of the above. I like reading practically anything about guns 46%

6. Do Europeans make better guns than we do?

There’s no big difference 51%
No 35%
Yes 15%

7. In the last decade, we’ve seen blued steel and wood being replaced by synthetic stocks and exotic metals. How do you feel about it?

Bring it on. If it results in a better gun, I’m all for it 60%
Enough already. How can you be fond of a gun that’s made out of plastic and titanium? 40%

8. The next gun you buy will be:

New 68%
Used 27%
I’ll probably never buy another gun; I have all that I need 5%

Bogle “I don’t see a place for plastic on a deer rifle. It makes my stomach turn when a man comes to deer camp with a plastic gun. Take it back to the Wal-Mart toy department.” —Adam Bogle, with a Remington 870

Hampton “You can’t get enough of them. If only my wife understood that.”
—Steve Hampton, with a Browning Citori

“Flintlocks were modern guns at one time. Change is good. Modern technology should continue in firearms as long as it brings added value to the shooter.”

“I love the traditional blued steel and wood look, but synthetics really do shoot a little better.”

Dave's Thoughts
Performance First, Looks Second: You value tradition, but it takes a backseat to accuracy and reliability

At just about every range I’ve been to, nothing draws attention like a geezer-aged gun. People gather around, clucking like poultry at the quality of the polishing, the wood-to-metal fit, and the amount of obvious care that went into its manufacture. But when the gun is shot and the groups turn up downrange, they tend to lose interest.

You have said that guns are better than ever, and that our designers know what they’re doing, and that if a space-age material will improve a gun you’ll take it and tradition be damned. And you’re correct. I routinely shoot plain-vanilla production rifles of all prices that are so accurate I’m embarrassed to write about them. Years ago, you couldn’t buy that kind of accuracy no matter what you spent.

Blue steel and aged walnut may be prettier than fiberglass and stainless, but if you want something that can take a week’s worth of freezing rain and hold its zero, kiss pretty good-bye.

Section 4: Your Shooting Habits
Centerfire, rimfire, or shotgun, it doesn’t matter. As long as it has a trigger, you want to pull it

1. Do you belong to a gun club?

No 66%
Yes 35%

2. Where do you do most of your shooting?

On private land 49%
A public gun range 20%
A private pay-to-shoot gun range 18%
On public land 13%

3. Did you shoot any of the following in the last 12 months?

Sporting clays 13%
Trap 13%
Trap and sporting clays 9%
Skeet 8%
Trap and skeet 8%
Skeet and sporting clays 7%
No, I didn’t shoot any of these 43%

4. How many centerfire rifle (or shotgun slug) rounds a year do you fire in practice?

More than 100 36%
Less than 20 18%
20–30 16%
50–100 15%
30–50 14%

5. How many shotgun rounds a year do you fire in practice?

100–500 31%
25–100 24%
Less than 25 21%
500–1,000 13%
More than 1,000 12%

6. Do you shoot a rimfire rifle at least once a year?

Yes 86%
No 14%

7. If you do shoot a rimfire rifle at least once a year, you do it mainly to:

Plink 56%
Hunt small game 28%
Practice for deer/big-game season 16%

8. Do you always sight in your deer or big-game rifle before the season? (Be honest!)

Yes 83%
No 17%

9. What’s the longest shot you’ve ever taken at an animal?

100–200 yards 36%
200–300 yards 23%
More than 300 yards 23%
Less than 100 yards 18%

10. Have you ever missed an animal because of “buck fever”?

Yes 56%
No 44%

11. Have you ever shot at a running deer?

Yes 55%
No 45%

12. Have you ever had a problem with the police, the Transportation Security Administration, or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms that involved guns?

No 96%
Yes 4%

Friedman “David Petzal is a joy to read. He is a crotchety old man and unashamed about his crotchetiness. Bill Heavey is also great, as his incompetence is quite believable.”
—Ed Friedman, with a sako 75

Niese“The majority of the hunting public knows very little about what their rifles are capable of doing. They buy way too much gun, have no idea what kind of bullet to use, and rely too much on gadgets and not enough
on skill.”
—Andrew Niese, with a Ruger Number One

Scroggins“Much of the ammo is too expensive to keep shooting.”
—Ron Scroggins (right), with a Mossberg 500 and friends

“I LOVE THEM! I wish I lived in a place where owning guns and going shooting was more acceptable.”

“If there was a decent range near me I think I would shoot a lot more.”

“My armpits are black-and-blue three-quarters of the year.”

“The first weekend of every October my buddies and I practice long-range, short-range, and moving targets from all shooting positions.”

Dave's Thoughts
Just Shooting: Clay birds, paper targets, tin cans: most of you have a home on the range

Many of you love to shoot, but hunting entails very little shooting, so you’re turning increasingly to targets of all sorts. If hunting-license sales are down, target-shooting figures are up. In 2003, 19.8 million people shot at targets, a 13 percent jump over the year before, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars doing it.

The advantages of shooting targets are obvious: You get to experience the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. You can compete year-round. You don’t have to sit in a freezing gale hour after hour or spill doe pee on yourself. And you get to do it for a long time. You see very few 70-year-olds on the tennis courts, but you can grind up clay targets nearly as well in your eighth decade as you could when you were a young punk.

Section 5: Principles and Politics
Shooters disagree on a lot of issues—except when it comes to protecting their right to shoot

1. How do you feel about Cowboy Action Shooting?

It’s a great idea, a lot of fun, and a great boost to the gun industry 72%
There’s something terribly sad about grown men and women dressing up and playing cowboy 14%
What’s Cowboy Action Shooting? 14%

2. Which of the following do you believe is true?

You can’t deal in good faith with people who want tougher gun control because their ultimate goal is the elimination of private gun ownership 75%
Some of the people who favor tougher gun control might have some worthwhile ideas 25%

3. Would you spend $3,000 on a rifle or shotgun if doing so didn’t cause a financial hardship?

Yes, it’s worth it 44%
I’d never spend that much money on a gun 43%
Only on a rifle 8%
Only on a shotgun 5%

4. If you had the chance to go on the big-game hunt of a lifetime for something like elk or sheep, would you get a new rifle?

Only if my current gun wasn’t adequate for the hunt and/or the game 81%
Yes—you only live once 19%

5. Have you ever written to your elected representatives at any level about their stand on a gun-control issue?

Yes 57%
No, I just never bothered 29%
No. They’re going to do what they want, and my letter won’t make a bit of difference 13%

6. If you could buy a range-calculating riflescope that would just about guarantee hits on game, would you get one?

No 51%
Yes 49%

7. Agree or disagree: Hunters who use scoped, in-line muzzleloaders are violating the spirit of the law, and their guns are no more “primitive” than most centerfire deer rifles.

Agree. Blackpowder hunting is about the challenge of getting close enough to game to make one sure shot, not just killing an animal 54%
Disagree. Modern blackpowder guns are reliable and accurate, and make for more humane kills than do replicas of primitive guns 46%

8. What do you think of this survey?

It’s okay 66%
This is the first gun-owner survey I’ve ever seen that had any guts 32%
You guys are a bunch of knee-jerk liberal blue staters 2%

Your Quotes:

Rios “Private gun ownership should never be banned at any level. It is a security, a lifestyle, and the ultimate freedom. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” 
—Justin L. Rios, with a Beretta 391

Ek “I think that if people were more educated in safety and awareness that there would be fewer violent crimes involving firearms. I think that there should be a push for K–12 awareness. Guns exist, that’s a fact.”
—Stephen Ek, with a Remington 700

Allison “Wake up to the fact that not all liberals are anti-hunting gun haters.”   
—Alexander Allison, with a Browning A-bolt

“I am tired of hearing the in-line muzzleloader users tell us that we must support them because an attack on them is an attack on guns. My response is ‘Hey jerk, you already stole my season, so bite me!’”

“I haven’t spent $3,000 on a firearm, but never is a long time.”

Dave's Thoughts
It’s All About the Sport: Technology has its limits, ethics counts for plenty, and skill still rules

The respondents to this survey showed themselves to be a conscientious bunch. They practice, they sight in their rifles, and they have a strong sense of sporting ethics. For example, at a time when the gun industry uses the ability to shoot at long range as a major selling point, the overwhelming majority F&S surveyed do not shoot at over 200 yards. Almost half said they do not shoot at running deer. A majority felt that in-line muzzleloaders violate the spirit of the law.

But the biggest surprise was the answer to the question “If you could buy a range-calculating riflescope that would guarantee hits on game, would you get one?” More people voted no than yes. You would think that, in a society in which technology holds the answer to everything, this would be a no-brainer.

Guaranteed success? Who’d turn that down? Fifty-one percent of the hunters who answered the question, that’s who.

We take off our hats to them.


 Tom Brackett

There is nothing like walking through the woods on a crisp, Fall morning with my flint lock squirrel rifle doing what I enjoy best. I hope I never reach a time when I can't do this anymore. I am a traditionalist.

Dan Herd

The Remington 700 won not just because it works but because it is superbly accurate out of the box. Ask around at any range, it has that reputation and lives up to it.
I wish you would have surveyed 22's, they are widely used hunting guns too.

Kris Wittlieff

Every gun owner needs to realize that what ever gun you choose to shoot matters. It does not matter who you are, a "shooter" is a shooter. Do not criticize another for thier choice of gun!


OK, Woodmanship and hunting and nut gathering, use Semi-Auto, M1, 7400 as in Rifles. Sweat lodge and Camp/out for 3 weeks or more and use a good rifle like the winchester 1886 in 40-82 or a Fox or parker on fowl and squirrels. Most of the newer rifles are set up for cheap and fast machining. Bolt actions like Bodding likes to claim is not the best. Calibers of 6.5 mm and .338 have good sectional densiy with the .308 a compromise in the middle. I use 6.5 Ariska on every thing up to big fat bears and the .338 on large game like brown bears and large Pigs. I think large wild Pigs are more dangerious than Grizzle. Hunt everything from Bow to Muzzle loader to modern, here the season goes from Oct 1 to January 7. Use camo and Rit dye the body green and put on Oak ash and Mud with sticks and go naked with nothing more than leaves, with the Red hat you pass for a wood pecker!

Jack Bohm

I use a Ruger 77 All Weather in .270 for whatever I can.

Jack Bohm

Remember this: You CAN NOT trust ANY Gun Control Advocate. According to one I talked with recently, we hunters have no need to own a Semi-Auto of any type. According to this er, individual, We shouldn't be allowed to own such a gun. Banning one type of gun is just the first step in banning all guns.

Jack Bohm

I think the Ruger M-77 deserved its place in the list. I have one myself- an allweather model in .270Win. I love it. Its accurate, and it does't beat the daylights out of me.

Ed Stang

One wife at a time. That's what is socially acceptable. No such rules on guns!

Ed Stang

One wife at a time. That's what is socially acceptable. No such rules on guns!


Jezz, that was fun. Hope F&S does this survey on a frequent basis. As a dyed in the wool gunnut of course my choices have to fall in the "other" catagory.
My choices would break out as follows:
Well this is America, I'm not going to be stuck with just one action type!, so:
Bolt Gun...the'98 Mauser hands down. There may be newer, flossier or more accurate guns, but there isn't a tougher, more reliable or safer action out there. I've put many thousands of rounds down range from many a '98 and they all shot and worked great. They've never failed me in the field. The one time I had a case head rupture (surplus ammo), the gas vents worked fine and I wasn't injured. enuff said.

Lever guns..Based on the number I own, my vote is for the Marlin. If I had to choose a particular model, I'd go for my old Model '94 rifle in .38-40

Single Shot..No contest here...The '74 Sharps

Shotguns I'd vote for a good sxs that fits its owner. I think that given equal fit and finish what counts is gun fit. I've been shooting a Beretta boxlock for the last 20 years or so, but I can see the day coming when my kid is going to take it over. Then it will be back to either the old Parker or L.C. Smith for the old man.

Pistols...Depends on day of the week it is, but overall I'd give the nod to the SAA as made by Col. Colt. However I don't want to be limited to one kind of gun, so it's definitely S&W for double action shooting, and based on amount of shooting I due with various autos, the Luger would come in first for me..it's not completely reliable, but sure shoots where I point.

These are simply my own highly prejudiced choices. I'm not knocking anyone else's picks. Afterall there is hardly anything more personal than the guns we shoot and prize.

What surprised me about this survey is that fellow gunnuts don't do more shooting. I've made choices in life that have allowed me to live where I can shoot whenever I care to. Right now I've got a 200 yard range on my own property. I might have made more money or driven nicer cars if I lived my life in the city, but it wouldn't have bought me the kind of range and hunting time I've enjoyed. If you're young and serious about shooting it's something to think about.

James A Splidsboel

I have used a remington 700 adl since the early 70's in a 7mm mag and it's the best gun I've ever shot I had the barrel replaced in the late seventy's for a longer barrel.As far as shotguns goes the two I have are both Winchester Super X one trap grade and one in field grade which I also love I have never had any problems with either of them I tend to be a traditionalist

Rick Rappe'

The mag. just arrived today and this is my first visit here. Not bad Dave. The only criticism is sample bias. In the main these are good choices, but the bias is that so few of the partipants have wide enough experience for their picks to be objective. Rifles? Yes the 700 is a top pick but no better than others in the same price zone. And the Marlin is indeed a better gun than the Winchester. In Shotguns, Yes to the 870 as a widely distributed favorite, but no to the 1100/1187. This statement is partly based on a bunch of personal experience, but for evidence read of those Argentine dove shoots where the only guns to stand the pounding were the Benelli's. I heard tell of one with 2,000,000 rounds through it, and for the last season or two the Beretta 391s are meeting the Benelli challenge. The 1100 is too center of mass heavy. A longer barrel helps some, but the Beretta especially proves a gun doesn't have to be heavy to shoot softly or swing well so long as the weight is well distributed. The 1100/1187 is dated in that it lacks the adjustable stock shim feature of several newer guns too. To be fair, this same too "center heavy" problem afflicts the Over/Under and is exactly why longer barrels are back in popularity. As for the Citori, I have a Superlight 12 with the English stock and in I/C-M is a keeper. But Browning stock dimensions are typically too low, (Ruger too) and if you want to shoot light loads or sub-gauge tubes in a Citori the gun needs an $85 trigger job to adjust the inertia mechanism. There are better O/Us. You were a bit light on handgun questions IMHO, but about the only thing I'd add is that here, there is some old stuff and not just the SAA and 1911 Colts or DA Smiths that were fine tools.

Changing subject sort of, as Beretta appears to fast becoming the dominant gun company conglomerate, with arguably great if not the best guns in just about every category, I've not seen anything in print laying out the interrelationships of its various affiliates. How about it?

Joe wyrill

im only 18 years old, but i know alot about hunting and shooting for my age. i know more about balistics and types of guns than many older men. (thanks to my dad)but why does everybody think Benelli automatics, (and the nova) are such great reliable guns? i know for a fact benellis are a piece of shit. i shoot a beretta 391. i have not had any problems with it. i have shot it for 3 intense years at sporting clays, and birds. it never fails. most people i know that shoot an automatic, and are berettas. maybe even a browning auto 5 in there somewhere. but the benelli's ive seen a few times and every time i see someone shoot it it jams on them, then they slow up shooting contest and take the gun apart and try and fix it. and it was the middle of the summer!! during the wintertime and jamming i can see that, because everybody knows a pump is better than an automatic in reallly cold weather. sometimes an automatic wont cycle in cold weather. but in the summer, i just have to wonder. a guy tried telling me that benelli shotguns are more reliable than a beretta automatic. i said to his face hes a damn liar. all the berettas ive seen and have always perform. in the poll in the latest issue, i didnt see a single category in the shotguns section the name beretta. whats the deal? at least put it as a choice in the poll! i know what im talking about.

Joe wyrill

another thing about shotguns, how come theres nothing about the Baikal shotguns? (which is now spartan gunworks) these guns are damn good guns at a very cheap price! you get more gun for the money with a gun like this! i own 2 spartan's. a old model of the 1st o/u, and a s/s model 210. those are amazing guns right there. now for hanguns. my all time favorite handgun is the ruger hunter model with a 71/2 inch barrel, in a .41 mag. thats a tack driver up to 200 yds. with a good rest. for an automatic pistol i would take a 1911 colt, government issue. nothing else, especially a damn glock, in a 9 mm. those are stupid. now for my all time favorite rifle is the ruger m77 mkII. its a great gun because of the mauser based action. and we all know how good the '98 mauser action is! i have two m77s. one in a .204 ( which is a tack driver) and the other is a .260. another good gun. well those are my opinions, hope you all enjoy!

Matt Oursbourn

Mr. Joe Wyrill-

Your opinion on Benelli shotguns is not only extremly biased, but also likely untrue. My brother and I both own Benelli Novas and my father owns a Super Black Eagle II. All three of these guns have been put through hell and back during target shooting, upland bird hunting, duck hunting, and most of all, spring turkey hunting in the Ozarks. I have never seen any of these guns malfunction even once. You may know a lot about ballistics for your age, but I am only 16 and I can see that you still have a lot to learn about respect.

-Matt Oursbourn

Cole S.

I have a Winchester 94, and it is a great gun. The only problem is it doesn't have the same long range performance as other rifles like the Winchester model 70. I am buying a Savage because of the new Accu-trigger and they are good guns.

layne hughes

first off, i dont think a 16 year old should be telling an 18 year old about respect. second, im gonna agree with mr. joe on this because ive got a few friends with benelli's and they always seem to jam up on them at the worst times. also, spring turkey hunting isn't all that much shooting, cause im from southwest missouri, and i turkey hunt with a single shot H&R. for other birds, i shoot a simple win. mod. 1300, which has NEVER jammed on me. so, im my opinion, i would rather flush the money down a poopy toilet, than i would spend on a benelli. what am i getting at, either way, its going to be useless to me.

William J. Saupe

Last time I was in deer camp, the arguement was in-line vs. traditional muzzleloaders, so just to "stoke the fire" I showed up with my own home built/modified muzzleloader. When the traditonal guys got on the in-line guys, I jumped aboard. When they got out their guns to show off what a "real" muzzleloader was, I gave them grief because theirs were percussion and mine was flintlock. When a flintlock guy jumped on board with me, I gave him grief because his newfangled peice was "rifled", not a smoothbore like mine. Everybody had a good laugh and settled down, and I went hunting with my "real" T/C white mountain carbine the next morning.


I don't think age is an issue here, Mr. Hughes. Anyone who can read can see Mr. Wyrill's lack of respect. Also, the amount of shooting was not the point of my reference to turkey hunting in the Ozarks. My point, as you should well know (being from southwest Missouri), was that turkey hunting around here is very hard on a gun, given the rain, mud, brush, and rocks turkey guns are put through. My Benelli has functioned flawlessly every time I've shot it, even in the worst of conditions. And something I forgot to mention in my earlier post - I don't know where you are from Mr. Wyrill, but around here, if you told a Benelli shooter his gun was a "piece of shit" or that he was a "damn liar," he would put the butt of that Benelli right between your eyes.


layne hughes

age is an issue here. and when you turkey hunt, you dont walk around all that crap. you find a good spot to set in for a clean kill. and, since u seem to think that you are an expert turkey hunter, you should know that they are not very active in the rain, mud should never touch any gun for any reason, and if you hit a rock with your gun, well then your just stupid. turkey guns are not that abused. and where do you come from? cause the best place to turkey hunt is on the edge's of fields and tree lines. oh, and i think you might be alot more biased than mr. wyrill

Matt Oursbourn

I should have guessed that you are the type of turkey hunter that sits beneath the same tree all morning (which for you probably begins around 9 am) and dozes off frequently as your oppurtunities bypass you. However, I hunt turkeys a bit more actively. You are right in saying that mud and rocks should never touch a gun. But, regrettably, guns are sometimes put through these conditions when belly-crawling through a cedar thicket attempting to get a shot at a tom wandering over a ridge. But I suppose your gun never leaves the cradle of your knees as you sit half-concious beneath your tree. Also, though turkeys are not very vocal or far ranging on rainy days, they do like to find a clearing in which to stand to avoid ruffling their feathers and getting wet whil walking through the woods. Ask anyone who has driven country roads on a rainy day and most will tell you of seeing turkeys standing in pastures. And, the best place to hunt turkeys is where the turkeys are, which could take you to ridge tops, wooded hillsides, hollows, and virtually anywhere else, as well as field edges.

layne hughes

do you think you are some sort of apache indian. that is the sport of hunting turkeys.....to call them in. more like 30 min. before daylight, listen to where they are at, set up in a good spot, and call throughout the morning. no sleeping might i add. an where to hunt is a matter of opinion, cause all them seem to be sucessful, i just have more around the edge of fields. so,, you never told me where you are from, or even where you hunt in the ozarks

Matt Oursbourn

Turkey hunting is the art of calling, but as you know, toms often "hang up" at about 75 yards or so and refuse to come closer. I am no Apache, but I have crawled toward turkeys that stop out of range. It is difficult and often ends in failure, but it is possible and I have used this tactic as a last resort. To answer your question, I hunt mostly in southern Camden county and northern Laclede county. How about you?

layne hughes

my family owns land in all different places. mostly in green, christian, counties. i also hunt alot around my house in dallas, hickory, and polk counties. i went to school at skyline.



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