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Women v.s. Men
Today, we break with tradition, and welcome a male voice to the women's blog. Deputy editor David E. Petzal is one of the pillars upon which Field & Stream rests. He's much loved/hated among readers for his years of regular writing in the magazine and his Gun Nut blog on the website. And as the resident rifles expert, he's the one who first handed me a gun and taught me how to shoot. Because of his vast experience, knowledge, and just because he has so many great stories, I asked him to do a guest post for the blog. Freakishly efficient and quick with a keyboard, within hours of my request, he happily sent the essay below. So, here's some outside perspective for you. -K.H.
Difference? What Difference?
Kim Hiss asked me to write about the difference between men hunters and women hunters, and I am happy to report that there is none that I can see, except that when women are in hunting camp, men have less of a tendency to act like rock apes.
The first time I hunted with a woman was in 1985, in New Brunswick, and it was for woodcock. I was hunting with the late Gene Hill, and it turned out our guide was a woman, a tall, rangy gal who did not say much. Gene and I, being arrested adolescents, thought the idea of a female guide was pretty funny -- until we broke for lunch.
There was a crabapple tree nearby, with small, rock-hard apples. Our guide picked one, tossed it up and down a few times, and pegged it at a telephone pole. The pole, I swear, shook from the impact, and Gene and I looked at each other with a mixture of awe and terror. From then on, there was nothing funny about women guides.
Since then, I've hunted with probably half a dozen women, and found that in the field they are exactly like men (except in elk camp, they don't smell nearly as bad). They carry their weight, ask for no concessions, and will not make any. They are quite similar to women who are in the service; once that uniform goes on, they are soldiers or marines or airmen first, and women second.
I am all for them. They may just save our sport.
David -
I agree with you that we are one of the things that will help save the sport, because a diverse hunting population (including gender diversity) increases both how accessible we are to non-hunters and how much political clout we have.
And I definitely agree with you about hunting camps. Just blogged about my first experience in one. It was hilarious.
But in my short time as a huntress, I've started seeing some other distinctions:
* Women get colder than men, particularly our extremities. My huntress friends and I believe that this is a key reason there are so few women waterfowlers (waterfowling has the lowest percentage of women hunters among four types of game: big, small, waterfowl and other - e.g., varmints). Could this be a contributing factor to the fact that we also spend fewer total days hunting than men?
* Women seem less inclined to shoot something they won't eat, like a coyote. Statistics bear this out: the biggest reason women hunt (47 percent of us) is for the meat. The second biggest reason (27 percent of us) is to be with friends and family.
I'm starting to see other distinctions too, based on hunting with women v. hunting with men, but it's too early to tell yet. One may be that women put less pressure and stress on each other during a hunt, so it ends up being more relaxing. I've read about this being the case in other outdoor pursuits where women venture out amongst themselves. And I'm going on four all-girl hunts in the next four days, so I'll see soon if that impression holds.
But do these differences have any practical impact? The latter one not so much. The one about being cold, yes - we need proper gear. And none of these affects ability.
Thanks for weighing in, and sharing your experience with that guide!
Posted by: NorCal Cazadora | January 08, 2008 at 08:42 PM
I have hunted for 20 years now, and I am in agreement with David, when I put my camo on, I am just a hunter that's all, & I am very serious about my ability.
You can ask any of my nephews or relatives who is the best hunter in our family and they will quickly tell you about me.
The only time I have really felt any different is at some sporting goods stores where they do not know me, other than that in the field I don't have any guys treat me any different, but in the dating world it has been a little different, some of them do not like a woman that can out hunt & out fish them. But the huntress' of today are here to stay & I am looking forward to many more years in the field.
Thanks David for the post, come back & see us again....
Posted by: Wanda H | January 09, 2008 at 06:04 AM
I think another difference is the competitiveness or ego factor.
I've never heard women put one another down the way men do over like say "Mine's bigger than yours!" or "My hunt required more skill" etc.
And,
We tend to actually learn or take advice when it's being offered.
That's just my view on it, we ain't perfect by no means...but we're darn close! ;)
Posted by: Laura Bell | January 09, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Thanks Dave, I enjoy reading your Gun Nut Blog too! The only difference I have seen at my camp, between male & female hunters, is how we pee in the woods.
Posted by: Paula | January 09, 2008 at 10:14 AM
I'm sure there are physical differences in tolerances, strengths and weaknesses between women and men- but also within genders. I think like many things, once you move past hype and stereotypes, it's gender-neutral.
Each of us has the potential to excel, be focussed and succeed in whatever endevour we pursue.
However...some of the differences between men and women arise simply from who we are- our character and spirit- and what we choose to bring to the hunt- our gifts or our garbage.
Hunting alone, I determine my hunt. Hunting with others, male or female, introduces dyanmics. There's always a bully know-it-all. Always a generous teacher. Alweays a leader I feel compelled to follow. Always someone I teach a little something to myself. Someone always excites me, someone always turns me off- whether it's male OR female...it's ALWAYS different.
One difference I do most note though- there is definitely a fun lightheartedness hunting with men as opposed to women. WHen I catch Heavey and Petzl giving each other $#!^ in the pages of F&S, it takes me back to all the moments shared hunting with the men I know and love.
Thanks for laughter; thanks for sharing it with us. Like WandaH says, come back & see us again, Dave!
Posted by: Genevieve | January 09, 2008 at 11:43 AM
One of my favorite hunting/fishing companions is my 19 yr. old daughter. It's an annual rite of fall to spend the first day of squirrel season in the woods with her. The only differences I see between hunting with her and my son (my other favorite hunting/fishing companion) are the logistical issues of answering a nature call and this past fall was the first time I was ever hustled out of the woods by 10:00 so she could make a hair appointment. Nothing better than sharing the outdoors with the kids.
Posted by: 007 | January 09, 2008 at 12:49 PM
007, that's hilarious - and generous of you to be understanding.
Posted by: NorCal Cazadora | January 10, 2008 at 08:35 AM
There is not difference in gender when it comes to hunting or fishing. We all want the same adventure that makes our heart pound in excitement, or to take that exhalation breath after a shot! WOW!!!!
But on occassion I have noticed that there may be a person who just doesn't believe that you as a woman can and do hunt. Believe when I say,I just laugh at them. I never try to prove to them who I am. I already know!
Posted by: outdoor girl | January 15, 2008 at 06:39 AM
Back to my daughter for a moment, we gave her a Buck knife for Christmas in '06 and was she ever happy. Her boyfriend's dad said that any girl that shows up to see his son with a fishing rod and tackle box in the back seat of the car is ok with him. She is the proud owner of a .257 Roberts and knows her way around it and is probably safer (both of my kids are)than a lot of adults I know. Of course ol' Dad's not a bit proud.
Posted by: 007 | January 17, 2008 at 07:33 AM
Amen to Dave Petzal's essay. I have long believed that there should be more women hunters and fishers. I would love to see the day when there are as many women hunters as there are men. That could do nothing less than improve the sport in ways unimaginable. As Dave says, women just may be the salvation of the sport.
Posted by: Doug Doty | January 26, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I just started hunting elk and deer two years ago and have been on many hunts with friends, both male and female. A few weeks ago I joined an elk hunt with 5 male friends, which was the only time I've been the only woman in the group.
The only differences I notice (aside from the anatomical ones!) is that after I downed my elk, I was concerned that everyone else should get one too! Now maybe the guys have the same concern for one another's success rate, but I don't know that they voice it. Maybe it's also just a personality thing!
Just as NorCal mentioned, I've also run into men and women who doubted that I actually did get the animal. Some say I just don't seem like "the type" and perhaps others find it threatening. Who knows, but I don't spend a lot of time worrying about proving myself to anyone other than the animal anymore!
Thanks for an interesting discussion and appreciate Dave's perspectives!
Posted by: Laura Benjamin | January 30, 2008 at 12:41 AM