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Discussion Topic: Heller To Challenge New D.C. Gun Law
Are you ready for round two?
From USA Today:
Less than a month after the Supreme Court overturned the city's 32-year-old handgun ban — the most restrictive in the nation — the same litigant in the landmark case appeared at police headquarters and said he likely would wage a new fight.
Dick Heller, whose legal challenge prompted the Supreme Court ruling, said he would challenge new city regulations that continue to ban District residents from owning semi-automatic weapons.
"The city still does not yet understand the decision of the Supreme Court," Heller said from the steps of police headquarters. "We have been denied again. . . ."
Dane von Breichenruchardt, president of the Bill of Rights Foundation, said the city was attempting to make gun ownership as "difficult and restrictive as possible."
"We're going to be back in court. There is no doubt about that," he said.
Your reaction?





Its time to start filing lawsuits against organizations that are attempting to block our constitutional right to bear arms. I am getting really tired of the freaking ballot.
There would be no 1st without the 2nd. Its time for these bleeding heart disney chumps to realize that.
Posted by: Tommy | July 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I have a challenge for those that want to strip our individual rights to own guns. A sort of mock trial basis.
Since these folks think they love America so much - and they think they can reason with those in the world that are obviously beyond reason. I extend this.
Go to Burma, thats right BURMA, or Colombia or Darfur, or The West Bank and try to talk to some of those in power, on the opposite side of your faith beliefs of course, about their ''issues'' with no weapons. If you are successful at solving their plight, come back, and enlighten the rest us, you know, we bare-footed hill-jack redneck ignorant Bubbas, sorry Bubba, as to how you fixed their genocidal tendencies with talk. That way you will have practical experience with which to negotiate with violent killers - and can actually have something to debate with besides your feelings.
By the way, please complete your last will and testaments before you go - I don't want to pay for your children's lives after yours expires.
Posted by: Tommy | July 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Yeah, I have a reaction: Why did he do this on the steps of the police station? They are responsible for law enforcement, not law creation. I suspect his issue lies less with the police and more with those responsible for generating these dubious laws.
Posted by: DK | July 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM
This stuff will be in court forever!
In the meantime, more bans, exorbitant "registration fees", serial numbers on ammo and anything else these people can figure out to make owning and using a firearm such a pain in the a$$ that people just quit.
That's the goal.
Jim
Posted by: jstreet | July 18, 2008 at 01:07 PM
People need to realize that all these stupid laws do nothing to help us. What is the point in banning ak 47s and ar 15s when I can get a Mini 14 or 30 and shoot the same bullet and with the same thirty round clip? What is the point in banning the .50 cal? Nobody's going to walk into a bank and say "Hold this while I get the money" You could shoot a politician with a 22! People kill each other and until we can stop that there is no point in banning or restricting guns.
Posted by: zm | July 18, 2008 at 01:32 PM
DK
My understanding is he did it on the steps of the police station because his attorney believes the police are misinterpreting a provision of the revised law. That interpretation (by the police - not the lawmakers) that the revised ban extends to weapons which are loaded from the bottom is ludicrous. Guess that bans certain rifles and shotguns, no?
By the way, the revised DC law is nothing more than a lightly modified ban. I read it and it does not appear to even come close to being in sync with the SCOTUS decision.
DC is bringing this upon themselves - the lawsuits, the expense, etc., because they refuse to abide by the law.
I'm with Heller on this - again. The DC government is demonstrating its contempt for the Constitution and the people. They should suffer a consequence.
Posted by: jack | July 18, 2008 at 01:53 PM
In nyc the permit application is $360, equivalent to a poll tax, and the requiremnets are so restricive as to make compliance a full time job, the antis never give up so we must never give up
Posted by: r napolitano | July 18, 2008 at 07:08 PM
Until we truly take this country back from the anti crowd by putting those politicos in jail when the fail to comply with SCOTUS decisions and Our Constitution itself then we are going to suffer from their agenda. As I said when Heller was first announced it isn't going to change a thing!
SA
Posted by: SilverArrow | July 19, 2008 at 12:09 AM
People that support gun control should put a sign in their yard that says "the occupants of this home are unarmed and will not shoot burglers, rapists, or home invaders".
Posted by: Matt M | July 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Posted a link here about England; that genteel, polite nation. Seems our friends who have no guns have taken to the knife.
Just maybe a few guns in citizens' hands would make for a more polite London again... Maybe something other than the availabiity of guns ir responsible for the upswing in violence among youth? Maybe, just maybe; some of the violence in our media is seeping onto the streets and real blood is seeping right behind?
SA
Posted by: SilverArrow | July 20, 2008 at 10:03 AM
No problem, Tommy. Because I AM A BUBBA!!
Red-neck!
Heat my house with a wood stove. Grow a garden and can/freeze what I grow! Eat everything I shoot, well, except most of the varmints. Skunk smells just as bad cooking as it does in the wild! LOL!!!
It is indeed, truly sad, when the "seat" of our Gov't, (Washington, D.C.) is the "root" of most of America's woes!
D.C. was set aside as our capital so that it could not be claimed by ANY other state!
When the very seat (headquarters) of our National Government fails to adhere to and enforce OUR OWN GOVERNMENT, we're headed down hill. Just like Nagan in NOLA after Katrina. It's sad. I wish Mr. Heller the best of luck!
Bubba
Posted by: Bubba | July 21, 2008 at 05:32 PM
The majority of gun violance has its roots in the use of illegal drugs. Now the Nation has two choices, either a full war against drugs which means lots of people dieing and going to jail; or decriminalize the dope and let nature take its course killing off the users. I do not care which method the politicians employ, just do something other than their gun control circus.
Posted by: Elvis | July 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Haven't we had a "full War on Drugs" since the Reagan adminstration? I believe that is why 80% of criminals currently locked up are drug offenders. How about a war on gangs? Get rid of gangs and you'll get rid of alot of illegal gun violence.
Posted by: William | July 22, 2008 at 01:20 AM
I am right with you, Elvis, decriminalize the stuff! Use the billions which we now spend on locking people up to help the ones who want to get help cleaning themselves up.
The 'War on Drugs' has proven nothing, solved nothing, but has made for lots of 'compelling true cops in action footage' to entertain TV viewers nationwide!
SA
Posted by: SilverArrpw | July 22, 2008 at 11:23 AM
William
A 'War on Gangs' is already underway, it is only marginally more effective than the 'War on Drugs;' that is because many gangsters are pretty high profile so the cops know who they are looking for, they just have to make the cases. Even police departments in backwater counties in New Hampshire and Maine have 'Gang Taskforces' to combat them. Granted some of the gangsters up here are pretty unsophisticated but we also get encroachment from the major gangs from Massachuesetts, most of them deal drugs. If you decriminalize drugs then you take one significant source of income away from the gangs.
SA
Posted by: SilverArrow | July 22, 2008 at 11:35 AM
“Accidental gun deaths among children are fortunately much rarer than most people believe. Consider New York, with more than 2.6 million children under the age of 10. From 1993 to 1997, the Centers for Disease Control report that there were only six accidental gun deaths in that age range - an annual rate of 1.2 deaths. Yet, with over 3.3 million adult New Yorkers owning at least one gun in 1996, the overwhelming majority of gun owners must be extremely careful or such gun accidents would be much more frequent.
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Guns clearly deter criminals: Americans use guns defensively around 2 million times each year - five times more frequently than the 430,000 times guns were used to commit crimes in 1997. And 98 percent of the time, simply brandishing the weapon is sufficient to stop an attack.
[...]
Recent research that I have done, examining juvenile accidental gun deaths or suicides for all the states in the United States from 1977 to 1996, found that safe-storage laws had no impact on either type of death. However, what did happen was that law-abiding citizens were less able to defend themselves against crime. The 15 states that adopted these laws during this period faced over 300 more murders and 3,860 more rapes per year. Burglaries also increased dramatically.”
-John R. Lott, senior research scholar at the Yale University Law School, author of the book More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws
“Liberalizing concealed carry laws won't lead to a return to the Wild West - though it wouldn't be bad if it did. ... in 19th Century cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient males who shot each other in saloon disturbances. The per capita robbery rate was 7% of modern New York City's. The burglary rate was 1%. Rape was unknown.”
-David Kopel, quoted in the Wall Street Journal, 1994-Feb-28, in “Have Gun, Will Eat Out”
“Antigun advocates have always faced an uphill battle in this country. Americans have, to begin with, a constitutional right to gun ownership. Today, half of American households exercise this right, owning a total of about 250 million guns; and over 99 percent of those households do so in a responsible manner. To fight for major restrictions on an item that plays such a valued part in the lives of so many people looks like a nearly impossible task. So if you're really committed to the effort, and you want to win, what do you do? Simple: You lie.”
-Dave Kopel
“[...] we agree with the National Rifle Association that assault weapons right now play a small role in overall violent crime.”
-A Handgun Control, Inc. representative, in Congressional testimony
“It is true that despite an increase in gun ownership in Australia over the past 15 years, there has been a decline in the murder and suicide rates.”
-Melanie Granger, for the Hon. Daryl Williams, Attorney General of Australia and Minister for Justice, from a Letter to Ross Wilmoth dated 27/8/97
“Tighter gun control laws were not framed with the specific expectation that gun related deaths would decline.”
-Anne Standford, press secretary for Police Minister Bill McGrath, in The Geelong Advertiser, 11/9/97
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“Armed women equals polite men.”
-Charles Curley
Posted by: Clay Cooper | July 22, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Illegal drugs are the common denominator in allot of violent crime, regardless if a firearm is involved.
DA David Soares of Albany County, New York stated that many of the drug laws were created to boost up all the police agencies. That poor guy was critized for making that remark. But he was factually correct. Going back in history we never had a Federal Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) or all these narcotic police departments.
Politicians are in a state of conflict. Some see the immorality of using drugs, while others wish they could figure how to tax it to support more social programs.
Posted by: Elvis | July 22, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Now more than ever it's important to vote and join the N.R.A. Don't really like the options for president but if Obama gets in there With Pelosi and Reid and the other anti-gunners well be in real trouble.
Posted by: Mike | July 25, 2008 at 02:32 AM