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June 19, 2008

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Discussion Topic: Bush, McCain, And Obama On Offshore Drilling

On Tuesday, Senator John McCain reversed a long-held position and endorsed lifting a 27-year moratorium on off-shore oil drilling, much to the consternation of environmental groups he seemed to be courting. On Wednesday President Bush joined him, asking Congress to end the federal ban and arguing that this and other steps would lower gas prices and strengthen national security. Democrats, including Senator Barack Obama, have denounced the plan, collectively calling it a flip-flopping political ploy that offers no real solution, will not lower energy prices, and represents another handout to Big Oil.
Here are a few highlights, from . . .

The New York Times:

“I know the Democratic leaders have opposed some of these policies in the past,” Mr. Bush said. “Now that their opposition has helped drive gas prices to record levels, I ask them to reconsider their positions.”

The Boston Globe
:

"This is not something that's going to give consumers short-term relief and it is not a long-term solution to our problems with fossil fuels generally and oil in particular," Obama said. The Democratic presidential candidate instead has proposed a windfall profits tax on oil companies and has encouraged massive investment in renewable sources of energy.

The New York Times, again
:

The National Petroleum Council estimates that beneath the Gulf of Mexico’s eastern edge, there might be 36.7 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 5.2 billion barrels of oil — numbers that would require extensive exploration to verify. . . .

[However:]

A 2007 Department of Energy study found that access to coastal energy deposits would not add to domestic crude oil and natural gas production before 2030 and that the impact on prices would be “insignificant.”


The Associated Press:

The nation's anger over $4 gasoline is producing political theatrics at the White House, in Congress and on the presidential campaign trail. Republicans are demanding new drilling off the nation's beaches. Democrats want to tax away oil companies' profits.

But none of the proposals has much chance of becoming law, and motorists would feel little or no relief if they did.

Care to chime in?

Comments

Drill.

Yes, it's that simple.

One barrel of oil (42 gallons) breaks down as follows:

19 gallons for gasoline
9 gallons for fuel oil
4 gallons for jet fuel
10 gallons for petrochemicals for other products (plastics, pharmaceuticals, computers, inks, appliances, glossy magazines, lubricants, tires, hoses, kitchen strainers, toys, fishing line, lures, turkey calls, shotgun shells, fletching, camo, and a thousand other things within sight of where you sit at this moment.)

Drilling is about more than gas for cars. Only 45% of our oil consumption has anything to do with gasoline for cars. 55% of a barrel of oil goes to the rest of the things we do in life.

The cold hard fact is we need more oil for the future. We have to start drilling for it now. Regrettably , the long term vision of a modern politician is no further than the end of the current election cycle.

Drill Baby, Drill!

Drill if the US Taxpayer Owned oil is purchased at a competitive price or else if the sale of that oil and down-the-line products of it is restricted to US consumers.

Otherwise, drilling that oil isn't going to change the price of anything in the US by even a penny.

I basically agree with Mike - if they're going to just give the oil to the big oil companies (as seems to be the case with the no-bid contracts being awarded in Iraq), then no, don't drill. If we're going to see the benefit of the oil directly - American's getting the jobs, American consumers and companies getting first crack at the oil, maybe using the proceeds from the drilling leases to pay down our extraordinary national debt, etc - then it makes sense to me.

Between the lousy economy, the dollar being weak, a ridiculous national debt, foreign usage continually climbing, and speculators pushing their agenda to artificially push oil prices even higher (gee, their might be a hurricane this year, so let's drive up the prices farther!), we are effectively screwed on oil prices.


Jim

Gee guys... let's drill today. The he*# with future generations. Because we have to have our fix NOW.

The oil we "need for the future" isn't going to be there forever. But I'll be dead and gone by the time they run out (or so said the guys in 1957 who faced this EXACT SAME DILEMMA).

The solution to this issue does not exist in one strategy or the other. As a nation, we need to develop and implement realistic policies that cover two equally important groungs:

1. Invest in pragmatic and cost efficient renewable resources such as wind, water and solar to move home and business from fossil fuels to renewable green resources.

2. Explore and tap fossil fuels in a responsible manner - of which regulators need to balance the interest of "big oil" with national security, environmental security as well consumer's pocket books.

Long term solutions exist - but they are not parked in just drilling or strictly in renewables.

I agree with McCain that the moratorium on offshore drilling needs to be re-examined, but as a nation we should think through it in a critical fashion...Instead of rushing to get a fix.

It seems to me that drilling isn't going to necessarily SOLVE the problems.
http://agonist.org/stirling_newberry/20080618/upsetting_the_oil_drum

Also, I was saddened to read this about Iraqi oil. Please tell me this isn't the reason we went to war. That would make me sad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087&em&en=0117ead155304757&ex=1214020800

Nationalizing the Oil Industry or Refineries are not a solution to this matter either. Nor is a windfall profits tax. How does that help you? Sure you stick it to the Man, but what you are doing is sticking it to youorself. Yes we need renewable energy, but how is that going to heat my home this winter and get me to my job 30 miles from my house without paying a huge sum?

The chinese people/residents have price controls (i.e. communism) and are/can buying gas at a much lower price than we are paying since China is eating the cost difference between price control sales price and oil barrel purchase price. That artifically drives up the demand of a product.

Also the oil price is tied to the US dollar, as the Fed has allowed the $ to slip, it costs us more to buy oil, the currency exchange rates are making us pay a premium.

Big Oil (exxon/mobil, Dutch shell) is not to blame, just like big electronics (Sony, Panasonic) is not to blame for bad TV programming.

Let the 50 (57?) states decide if they want to drill for oil, hopefully more state would use the royalty income from the oil being pumped from the land to do something worthwhile like setting up something similar to the Alaska Permanent Fund, and/or lowering property taxes since the royalties cover the difference. Making sure public land is open to the public and not budget cut...

More people should have an understanding of Gov't, Public, and general Economic and Accounting rules. It would help make these arguments. There is no such thing in Gov't as individual accounts, its all in the general fund...One Large Check book. Remember these people write the laws, why would they hamstring themselves? Would you?

Our problem is depending on foriegners. Drilling could(if we're lucky) decrease that dependence. However, the oil companies that drill will probably sell to foreigners that will give them more money than we will.

I just wish someone would tell the American public the truth about energy policy.

1) This is not a suprise. We have known since the early part of the 20th century that oil was a finite commodity. Henry Ford often talked about the need to find alternative fuels. He also talked about the environmental damage that resulted from burning fossil fuels--primarily smog at the time.

2) Because oil is a global commodity, it impossible to simply say that American oil is for America. Well I suppose it could be done if the government nationalized the oil industry, but that will not happen. So even if US production increased drastically, increasing demand from other parts of the world would consume these increases.

3) The vast majority of oil and gas surveys are widely inaccurate. The "Muckluck Dry Hole," which is located to the Northwest of ANWR is the most glaring example of this.

4) Barring some technological break through (e.g. nuclear fusion), the energy intensive way of life that US citizens have become accustomed to is unsustainable. And again this is not news. Literature discussing the potential energy crisis that would result from the movement of people and business out of the traditional city cores into the suburbs has been around since the 1950s.

off share drilling wouldnt change a thing. there isnt enough "american" oil in our oceans to make a differance. we would use it all up in about less than a year and the cost of oil wouldnt go down at all. and trying to learn more... of course we went to war in iraq for oil. why else would we? try to name one war in american history that hasnt been over money? you cant.

The solution -- if there is one -- is NOT in finding another oil fix. It is in weaning ourselves from as much of the stuff as possible. Biofuels, renewable and alternative energy have to be developed and properly utilized. We are already seeing depleted fish stocks due to a combination of over fishing and environmental pollution; no matter how careful they try to be offshore drilling poses enormous environmental risks. We can not afford to take them for what is still only a stop-gap short term bandaid fix for a long term problem!
SA

Drilling will solve nothing. Americans have lived frivolous lives for so long with our ATVs, jet skis, big monster trucks, hummers, driving 15 miles above the speed limit, lawn mowers, leaf blowers, etc. And now we want to destroy what little is left of our wilderness to continue to feed our insatiable appetites? What a bunch of spoiled children we have become! Besides, all this oil will go straight to China anyway.

Energy is a very complicated subject. It requires development of alternative sources, being more conservative in our use of it, but also using the sources available to us. Eventually economics is going to dictate what we do. Gas will go to $10 a gallon and higher. We'll find that third generation nuclear plants are safe, clean, and generate a tiny fraction of the waste of today's plants which are based on technology that is 40 years old. Research into solar will improve that technology greatly. And, some new technology could come along.

But, there is no reason why we shouldn't be developing the resources we have available today. Just as home oil heaters have become much more efficient and clean there are newer technologies for coal, oil, and nuclear we can take advantage of today along with giving consumers the choice of buying renewable energy at a slightly higher price today, but consumers are willing to pay it for the benefits down the road.

The media's presidential picks aren't discussing all of our options. The American public should be hearing from all three of the candidates that will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Here is Bob Barr's release on energy today, and you can look up his interview with Glenn Beck on YouTube to listen to Beck and Barr discuss energy policies.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/press/press-releases/30/explore-anwr-and-outer-continental-shelf-says-bob-barr/

Drilling will not help consumers at all, but it will hurt tourism in those affected areas. Lets face it are you going to drop 3,000 to look at oil rigs off the beach. Are you going to spend that kind of money to try and fish where thee local wildlife has been scared off by the sounds of drilling? My guess would be no. That is why the governor of florida has fought against the idea of drilling off their shores, because it would really hurt their tourism.

By the way, I love how Bush has tried to to blame democrats for the high oil prices. That guy can't take responbility for anything he does. Everything is always someone elses fault. That must explain the way barbra looks, trying to put up with a boy like must have taken all the patince of Job.

Hardy:
A vote for Bob Barr, no matter how strong he is on any issue, is a vote for Barack Obama.
Jason:
This country runs on oil! The 2A ramifications of BHO pall in comparison to his proposed energy policy! We could be looking at massive unemployment if his policy on energy is enacted into government policy. Many of us in the heartland have no choice but to drive to work. Also, most of our jobs are dependant on energy. Even more frightening, he wants our vehicles to run on ethanol. The economics of this idea are totally false. It requires nearly as much fuel to produce an equivalent amount of ethanol. i.e. It requires a gallon of diesel oil to produce a gallon of ethanol. Ethanol is not nearly as efficient as fuel. Gasoline is about 60 per cent as efficient as diesel. Ethanol is about 60 per cent efficient as gasoline. Couple that with the increase in food costs associated with ethanol production and you have food price hikes that make the gas prices seem reasonable. Remember this; corn and soybeans go up in price with demand. As more of these products are funneled into ethanol, the price will rise. As demand for these products increase, more "wildland" will be converted to agriculture.
Ethanol, as a primary energy source, is LOSE, LOSE. There are no winners, and everyone ends up a loser.
YooperJack

It seems like we are the only country not drilling and building power plants. Petrol China is drilling 90 miles off our cost in Cuban waters and Russia is exploring the Artic Circle. The way were are subsidizing corn ethanol is criminal. Look at ADM's political contributions- among others. We need to drill now and develop hydrogen cars and nuke power for the future. At least McCain isn't for sale.

It's nukes and hydrogen!
Oil will run out, even nukes are limited, ethanol is not a good alternative.
Hydrogen and then solar power Solar(in all its ramifications) are in our near future.

Forget about drilling, NY mayor Bloomberg just made a major speech defending Obama, looks like he is pushing himself for the V.P. spot which is the worst case senerio for us, we have to be prepared for this, we all have to get all of our people behind McCain or owning a gun will be history, much less hunting. Bloomber will use Obama to get what he wants, our guns and for himtotal power. why else would someone in his position even run for president? It is all about power, he will have it and we will not.

Sorry for the typo's- here I go getting all excited without my glasses on!

I want to respond to Gary and offer my two bits. Drilling American oil *could be* very good for Americans, and nationalizing the industry could only be very bad for Americans. Drilling the oil *could be* good for Americans if the people who pump it were to pay the American citizens who own it (all of us) a reasonable market rate for the crude they extract. It may not reduce the price at the pump, but if the money were used to pay down the national debt, it would definitely help Americans individually and collectively in the long run.

Second, Americans intensive energy use is completely sustainable. The only question is how much one wishes to pay. Solar power could run every electrical outlet in the United States, and could do it in a decade. Extra power could be used to dealinize water where needed and to produce hydrogen to run vehicles. The cost of that would, however, be in the order of a couple or three trillion dollars... less than we paid to send people to the moon in standard dollars but more than we paid for the wasteful expenditures of the Iraq War.

So the question is really whether or not we have the will, the guts, and the willingness to sacrifice required to really wean ourselves from oil. We could do it, but tax cuts for the rich and unlimited handouts through entitlements may have to be curbed in order to "make it so."

Was a time when Americans would have done this sort of thing for the good of future generations of Americans. But the me first mentality that now prevails will probably prevent that from happening. Instead we'll p*ss away our money, our national security, and taxpayer good will on wasteful nonsolutions like Iraq and American midcontinental grain ethanol, because special interests are more addicted to Uncle Sam's handouts than Americans are to cheap gas.

Hey Mike, I agree with most of what you say. I guess where I disagree is where you want to tax the rich to pay for research and development. I believe that a lot of rich are paying for that now.

I honestly believe that this situation is a golden opportunity! We're now faced with an actual gasoline price that is forcing consumers to make choices. If the government makes the choices, they will most likely, be the wrong choices. Obama's belief in ethanol is a prime example. We know that diesel fuel can be produced from any carbon source, including wood residue. Last week someone announced that an insect has been discovered, that consumes organic waste (including rotting wood), and defecates oil! I honestly believe that mankind has the wherewithall to solve most of our problems. I also believe that the hand that guides us, is the "invisible hand", described by Adam Smith, rather than the hand of government.
YooperJack

I'm not sure I want to tax the rich. There have to be ways to get there without dropping the burden too heavily on any particular demographic or market sector. That said, you tax where the money is. You're not gonna get a trillion dollars from people who earn $50K per annum.




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