Vick is a P.O.S. and deserves way more than we all know he'll ever get!

Perhaps the world would be a better place if both Marbury's and Michael Vick's mothers had practiced birth control.

Then the world would have been spared the acts and rantings of these two idiots.

Vick should be thrown into the polar bear exhibit at the nearest zoo. He likes to see animals commit acts of carnage, so give him a first hand experience.

Hey BP,

Dogfighting isn't a sport. It's a way for morons to make wagers while watching animals kill each other.

BP wrote:
U can take a puppy american pitbull terrier and raise him up like u would any other breed of dog, u know love him and care for him, but i guarantee that when he reaches maturity his natural instincts will come to play and he will attempt to fight any other animal near him, so don't be so quick to say this and that about dogfighting and the pitbull terrier, cause damn near anyone that reads this article doesn't know a damn thing about it

Posted by: BP | August 24, 2007 at 12:40 PM

The very reasons you listed above are why the breed should be exterminated. They are a vicious dog that attacks people for no reason and once they bite down you can't get them off. I am tired of reading stories about kids getting mauled and killed just so idiots like Vick can have some entertainment. He and his idiot friends can play russian roulette (for all I care), but I've got a feeling he's gonna be playing a game called "Prison Bitch" for a while.

BP,

You are trash and an embarrasment to the human race. The mere fact that an animal is bred to fight another animal in the first place is morally despicable. So if they have been bred this way for 100 years, then those who first created this "sport" are scum just like you and Vick. Cockfighting, bullfighting, etc are sports for ignorant scum. New Mexico and Oklahoma still allow cockfighting and those state should be embarrased by it. The nation of Mexico sees bullfighting as a popular sport, but them Mexico is a backward third world dump so it's not suprising.

Hey Matt M, the same stuff u just said about me and others that fancy the american pitbull terrier could be said about us as hunters. U think Joe Public makes a destinction between the 2, hell no, all most people know about hunting of dogfighting is what they see on tv portrayed by the media, the true enemy to all our freedoms.

Let me ask u this, if a great of animal rights people came at us as hunters and said we are pushing to ban all hunting because it is cruel or what ever then tell me how u feel. Well sir this is exactly what they are doing to the american pitbull terrier, which if u do ur research u find to be one of the most loyal and obedient pets u can get. Oh yea and i am in no way a dogfighter, shoot i don't even have an apbt, i just chose to do research myself instead of believe the media hype

Hey jstreet, again ur throwing words into my mouth, a break stick is used to pry the dog off of another animal. And don't be mistaken im all about putting down human aggressive pitbull terriers, i don't care if its my dog or not, if a pitbull terrier bites a person it should be put down right away, thats not in the breeds genes to bite a human, the ones that do bite people are the result of poor breeding practices, and careless people selling pups to any joe shmoe on the street. Oh by the way if u do some research u'll see that almost 95% of the time the media labels a dog bite as a pitbull attack without doing the research, and once the actual breed of dog that bit comes in they don't even bother to retract the whole pitbull, u know why because nobody would read the story if it said poodle attack

I think dog-fighting is heinous and Vick should be punished. HOWEVER, I think the majority of you arguing that dogfighting is COMPLETELY different than hunting are also very, very naive. I grew up hunting in the midwest. It seems all of you consider hunting as a "clean shot" every time and you eat everything you kill. Who are you kidding? I know powerful businessmen that fly with, actors, high power politicians and other public figures to Africa on Safari to kill elephants. Has anyone here had an elephant burger? I do know they have end tables made out of the feet. I also know it takes an average of 5 slugs to bring an elephant down and then they are usually put down for good by either cutting the throat or disembowelment. Some of you may also be familiar with Raccoon hunting. The most common form is with the assistance of Black and Tan, Blue-tick, and Red-Bone coon hounds. The TRAINING for these dogs to track, tree, and sometimes KILL another animal is to send them into a frenzy with the torture and use of a LIVE Raccoon until the dogs maul it to death. Does this sound similar to dogfighting and the training of fighting dogs? In small bird (dove, pheasant, quail) hunting the buckshot is usually too small to do much more than knock the bird out of the sky. It's last minutes drag out as they jump around and get scooped up by a dog or hunter. At least 50% of the time the hunter is forced to break the bird's neck to finish it off. The dogs used are typically Black Labs, a lot like the one in Homeresque's picture. My favorite is "Bow Season" for deer-hunting. This is the use of a lower powered weapon like a bow and arrow or cross-bow. It gives the hunter a "purist" experience. That usually means the weapon is weak and the hunter gets to track the scared and mortally injured animal's "blood trail" for miles until the animal is too worn down to continue. Many times the end result here is the slitting of the animal's throat or multiple close range shots. It's illegal to carry a firearm during "bow season" so the death is not "quick and painless" like many of you would love to believe. The dogs TRAINED to hunt down and kill other animals in there instances are called "Bloodhounds". Before all of you think I'm a tree-hugging wussy I want you to know I think there is a need for hunting as a sport. Deer over-population in some areas of the US cause traffic dangers, habitat damage, and food shortages for deer and many other species. Controlled population hunts are good. The deer end up healthier and the meat is used at food banks for the less fortunate. I disagree with the torture of any animal. However, from actually being someone who has done many types of hunting I can see the point here. Bottom line, the United States has endeared Canines as a species with a spiritual and emotional tie to Humans above any other animal. However, in the end, Canines and Kingdom Animalia just like the rest of the animals mentioned. I don't agree with Vick and Marbury based on my heart and emotional attachment to dogs just like the rest of you. However, I see their argument.

SHOOT2THR1LL said: I see little resemblance betweem two animals fighting to the death and a man who spends hours every week scouting in the bitter cold and then ends up with a nice buck. I think anyone into dog fighting should just watch UFC its got plenty of blood but its done voluntarilly.

Sir u are mistaken. A true pro dogfighter spends on average 12 weeks conditioning the dog to be ready for the show. That means 7 days a week not every couple days, and we are talking about a few hours a day. I don't see how that kind of determination can even be compared to someone walking through the woods looking for a spot, then sitting in a treestand for a few hours

BP , You are probably correct in that most of us, including myself, know little about dogfighting.

One problem however is that as long as the information being presented to the public on dogfighting comes strictly from those on one side of the issue (animal rights factions) then the public may have little reason to judge the activity otherwise. As one who has communicated in cyberspace with various gamefowlers (which anti's call cockfighting), I once posed a question to some sportsmen who were IMO blindly berating the activity. I essentially asked them "If anti's lie about hunting and trapping, what makes you believe that what they say about cockfighting is the truth ?"

While I DO NOT support dogfighting, I do feel that, like the gamefowlers, that which you apparently support likely has encountered a similar fate. A fate where because of the illegality of dogfighting here in the U.S. , would prove a challenge to counteract as it pertains to how it has been described. Also there is the fact that people are often very emotionally attached to their canine companions, unlike chickens, and any attempt to sway the opinion people have formulated, even if it may be be based upon lies and misinformation, would IMO be very difficult to change.

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Because the overwhelming majority of people's opinions on dogfighting is so negative, and never having seen any solid rebuttals that debunk what the anti's say about the activity, I can clearly see where those outside the dogfighting community (which BTW is not limited to hunters, as anti's are trying to connect greyhound racing to the alleged cruelty of dogfighting) would choose at this time not to see any connections made between their interests and dogfighting.

Just remember that if you want people to view dogfighting in a different manner, you must be the one to prove to the people beyond dispute that it is not how the anti's describe it.

Hey Tim4Trout,
I know exactly what u mean, however the only problem with people speaking the truth about dogfighting is that it will never be published for the public to see. The media controls what the general public see's and there is no way in hell they would print the true facts about dog fighting

If there is no difference between dog fighting & hunting - then why aren't any of you eating your dogs?

Not to mention the double posted overly worded post - by another Paul - So you're not familiar with either eh? Especially not with bowhunting. I'm really not going to waste my time explaining.

The internet - the soapbox for the next millenia

If there is anything shared between hunting and dogfighting it is the fact that A) Both involve animals, and B) Animal rights groups such as the Humane Society of the United States despise both activities.

Aside from those generic associations however there is NO legitimate validity in any comparison.

As a bowhunter my goal is to kill the animal. Not to induce suffering for some type of sadistic orgasmic pleasure. That is why I practice my shooting skills. That is why I study a deer's anatomy and learn when to shoot and when not to shoot. That is why when I draw back my bow and take a shot at a deer that I have a razor sharp broadhead attached to my arrow, my bow is in top notch working condition, and my aim is to have the arrow penetrate the deer's vital organs ( heart, lungs ) in such a way that the animal expires quickly.

I also know that some will likely attempt to counter my previous paragraph with a claim that not all animals shot by hunters, especially bowhunters die quickly. Some are wounded and suffer. To which I shall respond with yes there is some truth to that statement but again the hunter, by working to improve his skills and using top notch equipment, seeks to reduce such wounding. Also it should be mentioned that nature itself is far more abhorrent than any claim of cruelty made by those opposed to hunting. Unlike in the cartoon world, in real life the wild bear does not call upon the other woodland creatures to help an injured deer and the animals don't gather around the campfire on Saturday night toasting marshmallows and singing songs. Starvation, disease, and merciless predation are all part of everyday life in the natural world where the taking of an animal's life by a hunter's arrow or bullet is a lot more "humane" than the fate which most animals will succumb to.