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Exclusive Interview: Ten Questions For Jim Zumbo

It was the blog heard round the shooting world. On February 16, Jim Zumbo, long-time hunting editor of Outdoor Life magazine, wrote a blog entry on that magazine’s website disparaging so-called “assault” rifles. “I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity,” wrote Zumbo. “I’ll go so far as to call them ‘terrorist’ rifles.”

ZumboThe repercussions were swift and, for Zumbo’s career, deadly. Thousands of furious black-rifle enthusiasts vehemently responded via the Internet, calling for his resignation from Outdoor Life (which is owned by Bonnier Corp., as is Field & Stream) as well as threatening a boycott of the magazine’s sponsors if he remained on the masthead. Zumbo quickly claimed that ignorance about the rifles’ popularity and fatigue brought on from a long day of hunting led to his ill-conceived comments, but the retraction only led to increased criticism. The magazine, reeling from such negative exposure, accepted Zumbo’s resignation. Corporate sponsors such as Remington and Cabela’s terminated ties with him. His television show was put on hiatus. In less than a week, Zumbo went from hunting culture hero to Internet casualty.

In this fieldandstream.com exclusive, we sent Zumbo 10 questions asking about details that led to his comments, what it was like to go through such a public castigation, and what it all means for hunters and shooters. These are his written responses. —The Editors

1. It seems your comments exposed a gaping divide between black-rifle enthusiasts and hunters. Why weren’t you aware of this before?
I’ve never had a fascination for firearms. If I wasn’t in the business of writing hunting articles, I’d own a half dozen guns or less. To me, a firearm is a tool, like a carpenter’s hammer. I go to the range only to sight in before hunting season.

When I go to the SHOT [Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade] Show each year, you won’t find me in the big firearms exhibits. I don’t investigate new guns. Instead, I’ll be talking to people about decoys, camo apparel, game calls, hunting boots, knives, and other hunting accessories. That being the case, when I wrote the blog, I was completely ignorant of the rising interest in black rifles among varmint hunters, and I had no idea of their popularity.

2. If you could address every one of your critics, what would you say?
I would tell them to please accept the apologies that I’ve offered, and let’s move forward. I’m working to correct what I said. I’ve made a statement to the Second Amendment Foundation, reiterating my unwavering support of the Second Amendment, and I publicly rebutted statements by U.S. Senator Carl Levin [that used Zumbo’s remarks in support of his anti-gun position], exposing his real agenda as an aggressive anti-gun politician. My rebuttal letter was sent to Vice President Dick Cheney, and I requested that it be placed in the Congressional Record.

And to those who believe I now must support the Second Amendment as an “absolutist,” let me say I’ve been a supporter for more than 40 years. I joined the NRA in 1963, and have been a member ever since. I still am.

3. What have you learned about black rifles and black rifle owners?
I’ve learned that there’s an extremely large following of people who own black rifles for home defense, shooting competitions, just plinking, and hunting. I’ve also learned that many of my pals own black rifles.

A few weeks after my blog statement, when I was giving hunting seminars in Oregon, a man approached me and said he’d been deer hunting and came upon a camo-clad man carrying a black rifle. The hunter was immediately fearful, thinking he’d stumbled into a meth lab or a marijuana patch. The man with the black rifle waved him over, and the hunter approached, very much on guard. As it turned out, the camo-clad man was also hunting, and shared information where he’d located fresh deer sign. The two men hit it off, and are now close friends.

4. What really happened during that coyote hunt that spurred you into making detrimental remarks about black rifles on your blog?
I had just finished dinner. I was tired from a long day of hiking in strong winds, and was about to go to bed when I decided to write a blog. My agreement with Outdoor Life was to do three or four blog entries a week. At that point, I was receiving one or two dozen comments from my blogs, or less. I was trying to come up with a blog subject that evening, and one of the young guides mentioned that there was a “huge” following among black rifle enthusiasts for prairie dog hunting. I was genuinely amazed, and decided that might make a suitable blog subject, generating a bit more traffic than I’d been getting. As we all know, my word selection was inflammatory. The rest is history.

5. You’ve been defending the 2nd Amendment during your entire writing career. Have your feelings about 2A changed in any way?

My feelings are as strong as they’ve ever been to support the Second Amendment. They’ve never wavered. However, I’d like to say that the First Amendment was central to this controversy as well. Many people said it was unfair that my opinion, which is guaranteed by the First Amendment, offering the right of free speech, was trammeled upon. A common phrase I heard was: “How can we uphold the Second Amendment but trash the First?” One person said he laid in rice paddies in Vietnam to protect our constitutional rights. Other military personnel offered similar comments, including a general and several high-ranking marine officers. Hundreds of other people were disappointed at the hostility toward me, and quoted the First Amendment. Many newspaper editors said the same in editorials across the country.

I’d like to offer this point. The amendment that guarantees me the right of free speech also guarantees my adversaries a right of free speech. That’s what makes America so great. We can criticize anyone we want for whatever reason. But when some individuals and organizations sought to end my career because of my Constitutionally-protected opinion, many people said they had gone too far.

6. How did it feel to see your blog discussed and dissected in mainstream media such as the Washington Post and the Colbert Report? What do you think it meant for hunters?
It made me feel absolutely terrible. The worst was when some people used my words to try to support anti-gun legislation. That made me sick. That’s why I immediately countered with a letter to the Second Amendment Foundation, an appearance on Ted Nugent’s TV show, dialogue on radio programs, interviews, a letter to the U.S. Senate, and other actions.

For hunters, I think it means that there is a very definite divide that we must repair. Gun owners must learn to respect each other, regardless of their interest. To give an inch to anti-gun legislation opens the door to taking away all our guns.

7. Ted Nugent gave you a chance to redeem yourself by having you shoot black rifles and then writing about the experience on his website. How did you get hooked up with him?
Ted Nugent was the first person to call me after the firestorm began. At that point I had no idea what was going on. Ted basically said I “screwed up” (not exactly his words) and that he wanted to “educate” me. He invited me to his ranch. Within a few days I was on a plane. Ted hoped to use me as an example of a hunter who was ignorant of black rifles, turning my ignorance into a positive spin to educate all hunters and shooters. I agreed to do just that. It was a lesson in humility but I believed it was necessary to unify gun owners.

I’ve known Ted for years, visiting with him at the SHOT Show, NRA conventions, at sportsman’s shows. One of Ted’s more salient points was that we do not need to defend the Second Amendment. It is our Constitutional right. He also believes in the word “absolutist” to describe support from all gun owners when anti-gun issues are debated. Some people see Ted as a bit rough around the edges, but no one puts the positive spin on hunting and shooting in the media as he does, and no one reaches more of our youth than Ted.

8. You’ve been a hunting writer for 40 years. Has this experience soured you on the profession?
Not only am I not soured on my profession, I’m overwhelmed by the support I’ve received from my peers. Practically everyone sympathized with what had happened to me.

I’ve also received support from leaders in the industry, as well as from shooters and hunters not in the industry. I have boxes of letters from people from all walks of life, and a large amount of email, together amounting to thousands of communications. The comments were varied, from people who said I was right in my blog and shouldn’t have apologized, to people who said I was wrong but would accept my apologies. Then, of course, there were those who stated in their blogs that they would never accept my apologies. I can’t change that.

Companies that severed relationships with me did so under threat of a massive boycott by my adversaries. That was business; I harbor no grudges.

9. Going forward, what advice would you offer to hunters and black-rifle enthusiasts?
On a chat room during this controversy, I said that hunters and black rifle enthusiasts should tolerate each other. One person took exception to the word “tolerate” and said I should have used the word “respect.” I believe his point was that tolerate means to “put up with.” I’m not going to get involved in semantics here, but I’d like to suggest that we galvanize ourselves on a united front, whatever we shoot with. It’s time to forget our differences and understand who the enemy really is--the politicians who will work day and night to get their foot in the door and take away our firearms one at a time.

I’ve also heard a number of times during this controversy that black rifle owners are sensitive to anti-gun legislation because so-called assault firearms are continually under attack. It’s believed by some that that sort of sensitivity helped inspire the firestorm surrounding my blog statement. I can understand that sensitivity.

10. What’s the worst thing that was said to you during this controversy?
Some people said I was unpatriotic. That’s outrageous and I resent it. I’ve been flying the American flag in front of my house every day for the 15 years I’ve lived here. I’ve taken our wounded heroes on all-expenses-paid hunts. This year I’ll be doing the same. One young man lost both legs in Iraq when a mortar round exploded close by. He’s going antelope hunting with me this fall, and I’ll push his wheelchair. I don’t know him personally; I met him at a waterfowl hunt in Maryland last fall. I visited Walter Reed hospital this winter and talked to wounded warriors who lost upper limbs, observing how they are taught to shoot with prosthetic devices. I’ll be taking some of them hunting as well. I love our country and the brave military who fight for it. Anyone who believes otherwise is patently wrong.

Comments

kim

I think that Mr. Zumbo has a right to his opinion wether it is the same as other peoples or not. What about his right of free speech? I don't think that his resignation should have been accepted and that the companies that he wrote dor and his TV show should have shown more respect for his rights as a person. Pretty sad when, if you don't follow the popular opinion then you are wrong and chastised for it. All media should understand free speech and stand behind him, not shun him! hooray for you Mr. Zumbo, hope to see your articles again. Don't apologize to those people as you have nothing to apologize for except speaking your thoughts.

Duane

I'm sorely dissapointed that an icon such as Mr. Zumbo can get railroaded out of his seat so easily. I am appalled that the magazine he worked for and his sponsors didn't stand up for the guy they have worked with for years. I am sickened that Mr. Zumbo had to apologize for his comments.

He's got a right to his own opinion, and i don't care how imflamatory it might be, or who it annoys, people need to stop worrying about everyone else's business and take care of thier own. If more people did that, this country would be a much better place for it.

Anyhow thats my opinion, and none of you have to listen to it. Isn't the first ammendment wonderful? :)

Tony

I do think that Jim was wrong in what he said about black rifles. As a major figurehead in the hunting and shooting world, you have to be aware of the things happening around you. But I agree entirely with Jim's defense as well. He has a right to free speech too. You can disagree with him, but when people set out to ruin his career, that's just wrong.

Matt Mallery

I like assualt rifles. They are fun to shoot. But I think it is unethical to hunt with a weapon that holds thrity rounds, but then again, I think killing something you are not going to eat like a coyote or prairie is unethical also. Assualt rifles are for target practice and defense, not hunting. And hunting is for food, not just killing animals to keep ranchers happy.

ns

assult rifles are poo and dont belong in the hunting world

Black Rifle addict

Nice Job Jim,and keep up the good work you do!

Ryan

To each their own. The same debate has been going on with archery equipment. Lets forget about who uses what and just be happy that we can use something. Like Mr. Zumbo said, the "the politicians who will work day and night to get their foot in the door and take away our firearms one at a time." When hunters are divided it is detrimental to us and will have a huge impact on our children. I know have a 1 year old son and I eagerly anticipate the day I can teach him the outdoors, shooting, hunting, fishing. If someone was to take that away from me it would be a very sad day!

Chet Crum

My father was in law enforcement for over 40 years and I am a hunter. He would ask you, how would you feel walking up to a stopped car with these types of weapons avaliable? I cannot imagine anyone hunting with one of these rifles, it could only be shooting.

Bill Birch

assult rifles are poo and dont belong in the hunting world! What the hell is "poo"?
Must guess is it is something your full of.

Why are hunters & shooters always trying to tell their fellow hunters & shooters not to do something when it is legal. What does it matter what kind of gun you shot something with. It is still dead and if you don't like shooting pairie dogs, don't shoot them.

Moosedog

Mr. Zumbo should have said the worst thing he said during this controversy was to intimate that ARs are "terrorist" weapons. He may not have meant that the weapon that the US soldiers he respects so much carry into battle was a terrorist weapon but that IS what he said. As for being dissapointed in people for "ruining" his career. It WAS his 1st Amendment right to speak his opinion but it's also the right of people to quit buying the products of manufacturers who support him. Hopefully he can turn this into a positive for himself AND for all gun owners. We do need to come together and fight our common enemy not each other.

Paul

Boy, the gun-goons must have scared the hell out of poor Mr Zumbo,judgeing from his responses to the above questions. Job or NO JOB, I would have told them they can all go pound sand! What happened to the man's first amendment rights? They must have gone out the window along with his gonads. The first one I would have told to get lost would be that hypocrite Ted Nugent. Mr. Spirit of the Wild. What a bunch of B.S.! Claimimg to be a great white hunter, all the while he is baiting deer, and then blasting them when they show up for a free meal. What a bunch of fluff!

Kim

Black rifle, red rifle, green rifle! A rose by any other name is a rose! So, no mateer what you change the nomenclature to say, an assault rifle is still an ASSAULT RIFLE. End of story! All those who accepted Mr. Zumbo's resignation should beg for his return for telling it like he sees it wether you agree with him or not! A hefty apology to him and a substantial raise would also be in order.

William Giordano

Advice to all outdoor writers... Think what you want but NEVER put it in writing.

Dan

First, the thing Ted Nugent did was very important. This is the kind of thing that is often broached with the phrase "We have a situation here." We DO have a problem. Hunters have all been hit as being clueless. One word getting lots of use is Fudd. It has turned a division pretty much under-the-covers into something that is much more vitriolic and much more divisive. Such divisions cut both ways: Jim fired the first shot against fellow shooting enthusiasts AND trammeled the 2nd Amendment in one blog session.

Having highlighted the problem so effectively, this provides an opportunity not simply to "clean up," but to build bridges that we may never realized were needed. Certainly Jim makes a strong case for realizing such bridges are needed. The problem is how to build those bridges, and how do we strengthen our effectiveness to defend our rights to own guns and to hunt? These should always be the first questions -- especially after discovering that "We have a situation here."

Ted Nugent is to be highly commended for assuming an early leadership role in trying to build those bridges. Most importantly, that leadership role was exercised in constructing a positive "where do we go from here" response, seeking to hit back against the anti's.

Jim Zumbo (whose name is now an adjective) remains the only figure who can defend his own words on our behalf when people like Carl Levin would try to use them against us. And he HAS tried to use them on our behalf. In this sense, Jim must have a continuing role to play -- and that hopefully on our behalf. More, part of the reason that "Fudd" has also been a disparaging synonym for "hunter" well before Zumbo Zumboed (oh yeah, its also a verb) is that (some) hunters have developed a reputation of lacking a certain savvy when it comes to threats to our Second Amendment rights. To that extent, Jim reflects the attitudes that have been a pervasive issue in our community that just hasn't had a lot of front-n-center attention (like the proverbial elephant in the living room that nobody is supposed to talk about). However, since Jim now iconifies the problem, it is not clear how much his efforts in participating in the bridge building that our community will allow -- at least right away. I suspect that such acceptance will come more readily if he draws some blood from the anti's. But bottom line, I think Jim makes it clear he understand a lot of the components of the problem we all face.

So -- how do we move forward? How do we build the bridges our community needs? How do we get back some from the antis? I think these are ALL questions we should be asking now.

Dan

Mtnhunter

Bravo, Jim. As a hunter who "hunted" quarry that returned fire during service to my country, I have used many "black weapons" as the tool of the trade. That doesn't mean they are or are not appropriate for the hunting sportsman. As for prairie dog shooting, I personally don't shoot things that I don't eat; but I fully support those that choose to participate in the activity and could care less about the weapons chosen for the task. However, I do have issues with hunters using an inappropriate caliber for the game hunted, black rifle or not. For example, I think states should raise the bar from .24 caliber for elk. That is my opinion, but it is up to the sovereign states' game managers to set regulations. Unfortunately, there are idiots that have no business owning weapons, just as there are idiots that have no business driving a vehicle. We can't infringe on the rights of all law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms (of their choice) just to weed out a few morons that should be restricted to plastic dinnerware. BTW, I am a Life Member of the NRA and retired military. I have earned my rights and those of the critics!
I will resume buying products from the sponsors that dumped you when they publicly apologize for their cowardly, PC behavior.

Zippy

I think all gun owners should boycott the magazine that fired Jim and also the sponsers that dropped him.

Justin

I hope to see your writings in magazines shortly. You have done more for the hunting community than any of the people who thought they should boycott your sponsers. I really wish your sponsers had more heart to stand by you in your time of need. It is very sad to see something like this happen.

Unfortunetly it is all about dollars in every business, with no one sticking their neck out to defend anything anymore.

1st amendment

I believe in the freedom of speech, on both sides. If people don't like Jim's message, they should be free to contact advertiser's and employer's, if done on that employer's web site. This was not written on Jim Zumbo.com. It was their right to accept his resignation and to pull advertising. That being said, Outdoor Life is gutless for not backing Mr. Zumbo.

Eric Alder

I'm glad so many people stood by Mr. Zumbo during this ordeal regardless of his misbegotten black rifle comments.

We have to allow people to make mistakes because we ALL make them.

Sure, we should be held accoutable for our words and deeds... but threatening our livelihoods over our misinformed comments? Going by that standard, we'll ALL be unemployed!

The vicious, reactionary demands made by the overly-vocal minority belie an underlying fear so easily provoked merely by utilizing one's freedom of speech.

But even sadder are the organizations who kow-tow to such ridiculous demands and throw long-held loyalty out the window in favor of the all-mighty dollar.

The anti-gun crowd's fear-mongering misinformation campaign is aided by 'dissention in the ranks' which they readily exploit.

Aesop said it first and best:
United we stand, divided we fall.

Ken M

What is an assult rifle ?
You best know when the anties come after them [1st]
I can assult you with single shot 22.
Never seen a defination of one ,leagal or otherwise.

paul.best@nationalcity.comk

Jim exercised his First Amendment Rights. A large number of the public exercised their First Amendment rights as well, me included.

Looks to me as though the system worked.

Ben

Nobody's perfect. We all have said something that came out the wrong way. Jim is still a fine hunter and writer, and I really hope he comes back; I also agree with Kim-a substantial raise would definitely be in order!

jerry collinsworth

this is just like the crossbow and compound bow isssue here , shooters from all catagories have to respect the rights of thier fellow hunters and shooters, i personally shoot a crossbow because i am somewhat handicapped by injuries, i shot compound bows for years , now i catch flak because i shoot a crossbow, same differences as with what we'er dealing with here , let's not give the anti-hunters and anti- gun nuts fuel for thier fires ,

jerry collinsworth

this is just like the crossbow and compound bow isssue here , shooters from all catagories have to respect the rights of their fellow hunters and shooters, i personally shoot a crossbow because i am somewhat handicapped by injuries, i shot compound bows for years , now i catch flak because i shoot a crossbow, same differences as with what we'er dealing with here , let's not give the anti-hunters and anti- gun nuts and anti hunters for fuel for their fires

l.h. adams

I'm getting a little sick of all this assault rifle misnomer. Put a pistol grip on a Browning semi auto deer rifle and volia, an assault rifle. For crying out loud an ak47 is barely on par with a 30-30. Most owners of "assault rifles" do not have the license for full auto, so what are they shooting, a "Semi Auto" rifle. The libral media has scared the bejesus out of the average citizen merely by saying ak47 machine gun. Zumbo needs a course in rifle identification. As for his losses, well I take full responsibility for my actions as well as my lumps, he should too. I don't like crossbows but I'll defend anyones right to own and hunt with one. PS I also shoot animals I don't eat when they prey on ones I do eat.




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