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October 30, 2006

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Just for Kicks

This little film clip (created by the folks at accuratereloading.com, a web site out of South Africa) is making its way around cyberspace, and it shows a shooter firing a .577 Tyrannosaur, a cartridge that was designed in 1993 at the request of two African PHs who wanted something really convincing in the way of backup rifles. The T-Rex, as it’s affectionately known by those who haven’t shot it, is loaded by A-Square, and sends a 750-grain bullet on its way at 2,400 fps, with 10,000 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. When fired in a 13-pound rifle, this produces 158 foot-pounds of recoil—nearly three times that of a .458.

If this is not enough for you, may I recommend the .700 Holland & Holland? This creation shoots a 1,000-grain bullet at 2,000 fps for 8,900 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. The only one building rifles for this beast is H&H, and they weigh 19 pounds. Oh, and the price is $200,000.

Too much for your pocketbook? There is always the .460 Weatherby and the .475 A&M magnum. They don’t carry nearly the cachet of the .700, but they are amusing nonetheless. In the 1960s, I saw a very expensive .475 A&M magnum split its stock on the very first shot. It was cloven down the middle as if by an axe.

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jstreet

What in the hell are these people thinking? If you need a gun that big to kill an animal I think I'd give some thought to hunting something else. Either that, or put that rifle on wheels and shoot it like a cannon.
I don't guess I'll be complaining about my slug gun so much anymore.
Jim

Mark

O yeah. This is a visual example of diminishing returns. I have a 458. I feel I can handle it and use it pretty well. It’s not for casual plinking.

I understand the real beasts were the old black powder rifles and shotguns in 6, 8 and 10- ga. I handled, but didn’t shoot, an 8-ga double. No Ammo. I can’t imagine what shooting doubles would have been like with the gun. This gun belonged to a Long Island market hunter and was willed to his son.

For interesting Gee-Whiz information on old, big-bore rifles I like William Finaughty’s of South Africa recollections. Throughout his recollections the reader can pickup a lot on how these old hunters used 4-bore blackpowder rifles in the African game fields….and a good idea why people don’t use them any longer.

Dave Petzal

To Tom: I've never asked for one. I can't shoot these super guns any more without paying for it. I could probably get one if I wanted it. Certainly, the test would finance my orthopedist's new Ferrari.

ford

Holy crap, Batman!! What the HELL was that guy thinking? If he wasn't insane before the shot, he will be now. Just watching it gives me a headache.

ford

Holy crap, Batman!! What the HELL was that guy thinking? If he wasn't insane before the shot, he will be now. Just watching it gives me a headache.

Ralph the Rifleman

Yep..that's one insane kickin rifle...think I could try it?

Dave-
What do think about Hill Country Rifles? My son is to graduate college in the spring, and I thought a rifle would make a nice present....I would treat myself,as well. I'm waiting to hear back from HCR to verify if they chamber for the .340 Weatherby.
Thanks

tom

Dave,

I am guessing that none of these gun manufacturers have sampled one to you. I guess they know your salty opinions. It would be funny to see the looks on the editors that are chosen or punished to shoot these cannons.

Dave Petzal

To Ralph: No experience with Hill Country. I hear they make good guns.

ford

Great. Now my stuff is posting twice.

Lobo

Man. that is a nice squirrel rifle, where can I buy one!

Ed J

Dave-
Was that in Field & Stream that had an article about some guy shooting a 1 or 2 bore gun at Cape bufaloe ? He double charged the load and when he fired, it knocked the horse over that he was on and him unconsious. It was a few years ago.

Mike Shickele

Finally, someone has found a way to bring peace to the Middle East; just arm them all with these things.

Mike

AJG

Petzal,

I know we all preach shot placement and say "there's no such thing as knock-down power."

But, that little ditty of a rifle has made me re-think what knock-down power actually is. It DOES EXIST!!!! It's not knocking the animal down - it's all about recoil.

So whenever I hear someone say - "hey man my nem remington 7mm ultra mag sure has knockdown power" - I know what it actually means.

O Garcia

the most common mistakes when buying (or building) a rifle have everything to do with power. shooters, the young ones especially, want it, all of it, too much of it.

If you want something heavier than a .416 Remington, and have not experienced firing the heavy rifles, then by all means find a way to sample what you want. then, after you've felt the recoil, let it sink in for a week. then decide whether this is what you really want, or if it would just end up gathering dust in your gun cabinet once you've gone through a few rounds and the "new" has worn off.

or would you rather have a rifle that you could actually use?

I think Ross Seyfried wrote something like this in several years ago in another magazine. The "mistake" he used as an example was his own creation, the .585 Nyati.

O Garcia

of course, these monster guns have a place. in the hands of your PH, assuming he is up to it.

Bob Broussard

I'm wondering if I can get a T-Rex barrel for my Contender?

Ralph the Rifleman

What about barrel porting, or stock recoil systems to help tame this monster? I have fired the .460W before, which wasn't a fun thing to do with a summer shirt on, but it was "manageable" compared to this Dragon Slayer.
Even if you could reduce recoil, the bigger question is why would this caliber/power be needed?

Dave Petzal

To Ed J: Nope, that wasn't us. Sir Samuel Baker used a 2-bore, but it never knocked his horse down. It did give him headaches and nosebleeds, and he claimed later in life that the gun "ruined" him.

Matt

Ouch! I can't quite grasp the idea behind spending what the average American earns in fours years on a gun that will break your collar bone whenever you shoot it. If guides really need such power for a backup shot (I still think a .458 in competant hands would easily suffice), why not just buy a .50 BMG Barrett rifle? If they can drill a hole in a Humvee's engine block, they should do fine on Cape buffalo or elephants and compared to those other things, their $8000 price tag is a bargin. Oh, and they won't knock you across the room while test firing them in a white lab coat, either.

BILL COFFEY

test fire it ??? why I would rather have a rat in my mouth !!!!!!!!!
...BILL

Duke

Dave, I find that clip funny!I wish N.Strung was around to see that after a few martinis.Would be funnier,if a scope was on.

tom

this guy does not appear to be south african. i thought he looked saudi or maybe pakistani. i think he said said "wayn da bab?" translation - "where is the door" in arabic but it might also be that in urdu. clearly, this muttonhead has never fired a rifle before.

Jeff

I first saw this clip about four years ago. It was captioned " Why Palestians throw rocks"

ford

How much would a box of twenty of those things cost? I once saw a box of .416 Rigby at Gander Mtn. for $110-$140.

MattWV

Ford, 10 cases for the .577 T-Rex are $70 at Midway, a 3 die set is $400, and some 750gr monolithics are $94 for 25 (and a month+ wait). Not only does it make you light in the head but also the wallet.




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